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ELI... Solid Snake
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Jun 17 2014, 12:02:05 PM
And he was standing out side, so there was less FOXDIE to be breathing in.
That's... Just... So Balli. The severity of an airborne disease is barely affected by how much you breath. It may affect the rate of contamination among a group of people, though.
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I think I saw Snake cough on Liquid anyway.

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"But I haven't lost my skull.."
Ocelot makes Big Boss train for a few months and then: "Oh by the way, you only have 3 days to find Kaz now" :roy:
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Jun 17 2014, 01:15:46 AM
Why doesn't it prove there was more time between escaping and rescuing Kaz? Why are you assuming Ocelot was around when Kaz was taken, then rescued Big Boss?

Kaz could have been fine for the months (or how ever long) it took for Big Boss to build himself back up. Ocelot and Big Boss could have been in a different place training. Montage. Fighting tutorial. "Oh shit someone on the radio has said that Kaz has been kidnapped" - "But I'm not used to my arm yet?" - "I think we can deal." - "We!? Me! No way I can, and I'm having trouble remembering things" - "Now go! Bring the legend back to life ;) "
This, said this twice already in the thread.... Where is it confirmed that Kaz is in captivity when Snake awakes from his coma?

For all we know Ocelot brings Snake to Mother Base to re-introduce Snake with Kaz initially after the hospital scene, Kaz and Ocelot work tirelessly with big boss to retrain him and rehabilitate his body. Kaz goes out on a recon mission with some DD soldiers and is taken captive later.

Seems more fitting that this would be what ultimately conspires instead of BB just magically gaining the weight/muscle mass in 10 days, that's just too far of a stretch to be completely honest.
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Jun 17 2014, 06:54:08 PM


For all we know Ocelot brings Snake to Mother Base to re-introduce Snake with Kaz initially after the hospital scene, Kaz and Ocelot work tirelessly with big boss to retrain him and rehabilitate his body. Kaz goes out on a recon mission with some DD soldiers and is taken captive later.

Seems more fitting that this would be what ultimately conspires instead of BB just magically gaining the weight/muscle mass in 10 days, that's just too far of a stretch to be completely honest.
"Snake...?... What took you so long?"

Everything in the trailers seems to imply it was Snake's first reunion with Kaz after the coma, from the Kaz speech about revenge against Cipher on the Helipad, to him showing Snake the Diamond Dogs logo in the Chopper.
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Jun 17 2014, 07:00:43 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 06:54:08 PM


For all we know Ocelot brings Snake to Mother Base to re-introduce Snake with Kaz initially after the hospital scene, Kaz and Ocelot work tirelessly with big boss to retrain him and rehabilitate his body. Kaz goes out on a recon mission with some DD soldiers and is taken captive later.

Seems more fitting that this would be what ultimately conspires instead of BB just magically gaining the weight/muscle mass in 10 days, that's just too far of a stretch to be completely honest.
"Snake...?... What took you so long?"

Everything in the trailers seems to imply it was Snake's first reunion with Kaz after the coma, from the Kaz speech about revenge against Cipher on the Helipad, to him showing Snake the Diamond Dogs logo in the Chopper.
So 10 days contributes to 'What took you so long'

And if Kaz and Snake hadn't met again after Snake coming to from his coma, why isn't Kaz's reaction, "Snake?!? I thought you were a goner" or something to that effect.

It's almost as if Kaz is EXPECTING Snake to rescue him, how would that be if Snake was in a coma last Kaz knew?

I'm sorry, but how are you all not on board with a gradual rehabilitation than Snake pulling a hulk move and gaining mass weight in 10 days? it just doesn't jive.

Also note Kaz's wounds. Botched amputations (ruthless torture) doesn't take 10 days to heal over, he would have been a lot worse than he is portrayed in the trailer.
Edited by Acid Boss, Jun 17 2014, 07:24:55 PM.
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Jun 17 2014, 07:20:10 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 07:00:43 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 06:54:08 PM


For all we know Ocelot brings Snake to Mother Base to re-introduce Snake with Kaz initially after the hospital scene, Kaz and Ocelot work tirelessly with big boss to retrain him and rehabilitate his body. Kaz goes out on a recon mission with some DD soldiers and is taken captive later.

Seems more fitting that this would be what ultimately conspires instead of BB just magically gaining the weight/muscle mass in 10 days, that's just too far of a stretch to be completely honest.
"Snake...?... What took you so long?"

Everything in the trailers seems to imply it was Snake's first reunion with Kaz after the coma, from the Kaz speech about revenge against Cipher on the Helipad, to him showing Snake the Diamond Dogs logo in the Chopper.
So 10 days contributes to 'What took you so long'

And if Kaz and Snake hadn't met again after Snake coming to from his coma, why isn't Kaz's reaction, "Snake?!? I thought you were a goner" or something to that effect.

It's almost as if Kaz is EXPECTING Snake to rescue him, how would that be if Snake was in a coma last Kaz knew?

I'm sorry, but how are you all not on board with a gradual rehabilitation than Snake pulling a hulk move and gaining mass weight in 10 days? it just doesn't jive.

Also note Kaz's wounds. Botched amputations (ruthless torture) doesn't take 10 days to heal over, he would have been a lot worse than he is portrayed in the trailer.
Considering he was tortured and mutilated for 10 days, I doubt he would have the energy for a shocked reaction.

Don't see why you bring his Snake's "rehabilitation"... He was running in burning corridors and riding behind Ocelot firing a Shotgun, when moments before he was crawling on the floor... Let's just say he is quick to adapt? Videogame logic, obviously.

Also, where do you see this weight/muscle mass difference? I mean he is wearing baggy clothes so there is no way to compare.
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It's clearly abundant that Snake puts at least 40-50 Pounds back on after the hospital scene.. in 10 days? no.
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Jun 17 2014, 07:41:55 PM
It's clearly abundant
Nah.
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:haha: ok.
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Jun 17 2014, 07:41:55 PM
It's clearly abundant that Snake puts at least 40-50 Pounds back on after the hospital scene.. in 10 days? no.
Let's also not forget that BB has to adapt to the mechanical arm. Kojima already confirmed that, I believe. So 10 days really seems a very short amount of time for BB to be at 100% physical shape. Or maybe he will regain his strength as we progress through the game and he'll get faster/stronger in gameplay? Sounds like a stretch, but that would be kind of cool.
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Jun 17 2014, 07:41:55 PM
It's clearly abundant that Snake puts at least 40-50 Pounds back on after the hospital scene.. in 10 days? no.
Stop it. Snake is not real, therefore he can gain 200 pounds in 2 days if Kojima desires it.
If we consider this game realistic in this matter, we have to consider brain damage, muscle atrophy, etc. Rehabilitation just to achieve acceptable levels of functionality could take months. A total recovery could take years.
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Oblivious, it's not a new revelation that Snake is 'NOT REAL' however, Kojima and his team were directly tapping MGSV for a more realistic take on everything for the most part. Up until recently, this was taken to the level of not including cardboard boxes, 'spinning' rations, etc... Now it seems a lot of the old MGS mechanisms that made the series are returning, but you can clearly see from the information and trailers released thus far, this is aiming to be the most realistic in the series.

So again, I beg the question why Snake would gain that much weight in 10 days and everyone would just 'be okay with that'.
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Jun 17 2014, 07:59:50 PM
Oblivious, it's not a new revelation that Snake is 'NOT REAL' however, Kojima and his team were directly tapping MGSV for a more realistic take on everything for the most part. Up until recently, this was taken to the level of not including cardboard boxes, 'spinning' rations, etc... Now it seems a lot of the old MGS mechanisms that made the series are returning, but you can clearly see from the information and trailers released thus far, this is aiming to be the most realistic in the series.


You can't make a videogame realistic without making it boring. It's stupid to argue about the realism of a game where such limit depends entirely on its creator, the gameplay requirements, story constraints, etc. If you're so 'into realism', why don't you complain about the utter stupidity Kojima has done to the scientific topics he manages to touch?

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Jun 17 2014, 07:59:50 PM
So again, I beg the question why Snake would gain that much weight in 10 days and everyone would just 'be okay with that'.

It's clear you wouldn't be okay with it. Why? I don't know. Other people that have seen pretty stupid things being said by some MGS' character choose to ignore it because they understand it may be unimportant.
Edited by Oblivious, Jun 17 2014, 08:17:10 PM.
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What has this got to do with Eli and if he is Solid Snake or not?
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Jun 17 2014, 07:33:52 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 07:20:10 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 07:00:43 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 06:54:08 PM


For all we know Ocelot brings Snake to Mother Base to re-introduce Snake with Kaz initially after the hospital scene, Kaz and Ocelot work tirelessly with big boss to retrain him and rehabilitate his body. Kaz goes out on a recon mission with some DD soldiers and is taken captive later.

Seems more fitting that this would be what ultimately conspires instead of BB just magically gaining the weight/muscle mass in 10 days, that's just too far of a stretch to be completely honest.
"Snake...?... What took you so long?"

Everything in the trailers seems to imply it was Snake's first reunion with Kaz after the coma, from the Kaz speech about revenge against Cipher on the Helipad, to him showing Snake the Diamond Dogs logo in the Chopper.
So 10 days contributes to 'What took you so long'

And if Kaz and Snake hadn't met again after Snake coming to from his coma, why isn't Kaz's reaction, "Snake?!? I thought you were a goner" or something to that effect.

It's almost as if Kaz is EXPECTING Snake to rescue him, how would that be if Snake was in a coma last Kaz knew?

I'm sorry, but how are you all not on board with a gradual rehabilitation than Snake pulling a hulk move and gaining mass weight in 10 days? it just doesn't jive.

Also note Kaz's wounds. Botched amputations (ruthless torture) doesn't take 10 days to heal over, he would have been a lot worse than he is portrayed in the trailer.
Considering he was tortured and mutilated for 10 days, I doubt he would have the energy for a shocked reaction.

Don't see why you bring his Snake's "rehabilitation"... He was running in burning corridors and riding behind Ocelot firing a Shotgun, when moments before he was crawling on the floor... Let's just say he is quick to adapt? Videogame logic, obviously.

Also, where do you see this weight/muscle mass difference? I mean he is wearing baggy clothes so there is no way to compare.


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Look his forearm and face.Looks skinny ?

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Jun 17 2014, 07:00:43 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 06:54:08 PM


For all we know Ocelot brings Snake to Mother Base to re-introduce Snake with Kaz initially after the hospital scene, Kaz and Ocelot work tirelessly with big boss to retrain him and rehabilitate his body. Kaz goes out on a recon mission with some DD soldiers and is taken captive later.

Seems more fitting that this would be what ultimately conspires instead of BB just magically gaining the weight/muscle mass in 10 days, that's just too far of a stretch to be completely honest.
"Snake...?... What took you so long?"

Everything in the trailers seems to imply it was Snake's first reunion with Kaz after the coma, from the Kaz speech about revenge against Cipher on the Helipad, to him showing Snake the Diamond Dogs logo in the Chopper.
So 10 days contributes to 'What took you so long'

And if Kaz and Snake hadn't met again after Snake coming to from his coma, why isn't Kaz's reaction, "Snake?!? I thought you were a goner" or something to that effect.

It's almost as if Kaz is EXPECTING Snake to rescue him, how would that be if Snake was in a coma last Kaz knew?

I'm sorry, but how are you all not on board with a gradual rehabilitation than Snake pulling a hulk move and gaining mass weight in 10 days? it just doesn't jive.

Also note Kaz's wounds. Botched amputations (ruthless torture) doesn't take 10 days to heal over, he would have been a lot worse than he is portrayed in the trailer.
Considering he was tortured and mutilated for 10 days, I doubt he would have the energy for a shocked reaction.

Don't see why you bring his Snake's "rehabilitation"... He was running in burning corridors and riding behind Ocelot firing a Shotgun, when moments before he was crawling on the floor... Let's just say he is quick to adapt? Videogame logic, obviously.

Also, where do you see this weight/muscle mass difference? I mean he is wearing baggy clothes so there is no way to compare.



Look his forearm and face.Looks skinny ?

You can't tell anything about his face from that screenshot, and to be honest I don't see much of a difference in his forearm either, the angle of the screenshot is probably misleading you.

Nonetheless, even if there was a weight/muscle mass difference, it could boil down to a KojiPro artistic decision to portray Snake as feeble when they made his Hospital 3D model.
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Rikitatsu, I'm sorry, are you blind? I'm not chirping or disrespecting you, but you'd have to be blind or hard of seeing if you can't see the obvious difference from his body weight hospital scene/post hospital scene.. It's a very big topic BECAUSE people can see the difference.
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Jun 17 2014, 08:30:10 PM
Rikitatsu, I'm sorry, are you blind? I'm not chirping or disrespecting you, but you'd have to be blind or hard of seeing if you can't see the obvious difference from his body weight hospital scene/post hospital scene.. It's a very big topic BECAUSE people can see the difference.
Okay, it just took another look at the GDC hospital gameplay and yeah, you're right... BB's arms are thinner, but like I said, it might just be an artistic touch to portray weakness, it shouldn't be proof about how much time Snake spent rehabilitating between the Hospital incident and the Afghanistan rescue mission.
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Yeah BB looks really skinny in the hospital scene. But he also looks skinny in the new trailer, when he's rubbing the ashes on his face.

Bottom line is, this is a game and we can speculate all we want. Real world logic can only be applied to an extent. A person recovering from a 9 year coma after a severe head injury would require YEARS of therapy just to regain basic motor skills. Not to mention that person would have to learn to speak again.

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