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ELI... Solid Snake
Topic Started: Jun 15 2014, 10:27:38 PM (7,458 Views)
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Jun 17 2014, 08:13:01 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 07:33:52 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 06:54:08 PM


For all we know Ocelot brings Snake to Mother Base to re-introduce Snake with Kaz initially after the hospital scene, Kaz and Ocelot work tirelessly with big boss to retrain him and rehabilitate his body. Kaz goes out on a recon mission with some DD soldiers and is taken captive later.

Seems more fitting that this would be what ultimately conspires instead of BB just magically gaining the weight/muscle mass in 10 days, that's just too far of a stretch to be completely honest.
"Snake...?... What took you so long?"

Everything in the trailers seems to imply it was Snake's first reunion with Kaz after the coma, from the Kaz speech about revenge against Cipher on the Helipad, to him showing Snake the Diamond Dogs logo in the Chopper.
So 10 days contributes to 'What took you so long'

And if Kaz and Snake hadn't met again after Snake coming to from his coma, why isn't Kaz's reaction, "Snake?!? I thought you were a goner" or something to that effect.

It's almost as if Kaz is EXPECTING Snake to rescue him, how would that be if Snake was in a coma last Kaz knew?

I'm sorry, but how are you all not on board with a gradual rehabilitation than Snake pulling a hulk move and gaining mass weight in 10 days? it just doesn't jive.

Also note Kaz's wounds. Botched amputations (ruthless torture) doesn't take 10 days to heal over, he would have been a lot worse than he is portrayed in the trailer.
Considering he was tortured and mutilated for 10 days, I doubt he would have the energy for a shocked reaction.

Don't see why you bring his Snake's "rehabilitation"... He was running in burning corridors and riding behind Ocelot firing a Shotgun, when moments before he was crawling on the floor... Let's just say he is quick to adapt? Videogame logic, obviously.

Also, where do you see this weight/muscle mass difference? I mean he is wearing baggy clothes so there is no way to compare.
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Look his forearm and face.Looks skinny ?

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Call this a hunch, but I reckon that's because he had been in a coma for a fair few years.
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I think the 'never be game over' on Eli's jacket refers to the fact that Liquid must be defeated multiple times in MGS1, refusing to accept a 'game over' on his part.
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:haha: Gene,

yes, he's skinny as hell from atrophied muscles from a 9 year coma. That's not the issue. KoRn stated earlier that it has been confirmed that Kaz is rescued by Snake only 10 days after he's captured, further speculating that Snake wakes up from his coma, and is able to rescue Kaz in physical shape (gained at least 30 pounds) and form in 10 days, and be able to straddle Kaz on his back like so...

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My argument is that for all we know, Kaz is NOT captive when Snake awakes from his coma, and meets Kaz before Kaz is captured because Snake needs at least some time to rehabilitate himself to do what he's doing above.. not 10 days.. it's just a really hard stretch of the imagination. He must be a terminator if that's the case.
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Jun 17 2014, 08:56:56 PM
He must be a terminator if that's the case.
He's a videogame character:

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He is firing a shotgun while riding a fucking horse, and that's just a few moments after he was crawling on the floor.
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fuck me, not a shotgun on a HORSE!?!...
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Jun 17 2014, 09:06:53 PM
fuck me, not a shotgun on a HORSE!?!...
AYE! A SHOTGUN ON A HORSE!
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I don't think Snake's physical ability to the main thing to question in that image, there's a unicorn made of fire opposite him.
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...Burger King?

How can we be ok with Snake regaining muscle mass in a short amount of time?


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He must be a terminator if that's the case.
He's a videogame character:

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He is firing a shotgun while riding a fucking horse, and that's just a few moments after he was crawling on the floor.
He just shot someone in very close distance.
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King... what the hell is that? ;)
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Jun 17 2014, 09:23:15 PM
King... what the hell is that? ;)
suspension of disbelief is where you put aside something in a medium you know isn't real but go with it for the sake of being entertained. Like black and white movies. You don't see in black and white (or I doubt you do anyway) but you go with it anyway to be entertained by it.

Same thing with Big Boss's coma. If he recovers in a short amount of time, then we'd suspend our disbelief for the sake of being entertained by the game instead of watching a Rocky training montage or something.

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Jun 17 2014, 05:45:38 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 12:02:05 PM
And he was standing out side, so there was less FOXDIE to be breathing in.
That's... Just... So Balli. The severity of an airborne disease is barely affected by how much you breath. It may affect the rate of contamination among a group of people, though.
That's just so Oblivious :D

You stomp around this board criticising anyone who dares compare this series to real life. But just there you have ignored the actual science of FOXDIE, a fictional virus, to apply real life science...the very thing you criticise me for
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And he was standing out side, so there was less FOXDIE to be breathing in.
That's... Just... So Balli. The severity of an airborne disease is barely affected by how much you breath. It may affect the rate of contamination among a group of people, though.
That's just so Oblivious :D

You stomp around this board criticising anyone who dares compare this series to real life. But just there you have ignored the actual science of FOXDIE, a fictional virus, to apply real life science...the very thing you criticise me for
Oh, poor little thing. I offer my apologies if I hurt you.


... But you were using real life logic (like you always do while talking about dead serious MG) and I answered using that as well. So... Even when we're discussing things from the same perspective, you seem to state often silly and cute things.

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suspension of disbelief is where you put aside something in a medium you know isn't real but go with it for the sake of being entertained. Like black and white movies. You don't see in black and white (or I doubt you do anyway) but you go with it anyway to be entertained by it.

Same thing with Big Boss's coma. If he recovers in a short amount of time, then we'd suspend our disbelief for the sake of being entertained by the game instead of watching a Rocky training montage or something.

Finally! Common sense!
Edited by Oblivious, Jun 17 2014, 09:36:35 PM.
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Hey guys keep it civil in here. You're making me nervous.

I'd say that considering the weight difference and also the fact that this is a video game there are equal probabilities of Big Boss rescuing Kaz after being awake for ~ a week and there being a significant amount of time that BB spends on his own recuperating before being reunited with Ocelot/DiDo/Kaz


Stop arguing so much. Just wait and see

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Really? cause I don't find that bit about Big Boss gaining 30-40 pounds of fat and muscle, learning to use a cybernetic hand in 10 days entertaining, I'm not alone apparently.
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Jun 17 2014, 09:42:29 PM
Hey guys keep it civil in here. You're making me nervous.

I'd say that considering the weight difference and also the fact that this is a video game there are equal probabilities of Big Boss rescuing Kaz after being awake for ~ a week and there being a significant amount of time that BB spends on his own recuperating before being reunited with Ocelot/DiDo/Kaz


Stop arguing so much. Just wait and see

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I'm arguing for people to stop shoving whatever opinion they have down other people's throats. Sorry for the uncivil response in this very uncivil forum xD

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Really? cause I don't find that bit about Big Boss gaining 30-40 pounds of fat and muscle, learning to use a cybernetic hand in 10 days entertaining, I'm not alone apparently.

We hear you. Move on.
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And he was standing out side, so there was less FOXDIE to be breathing in.
That's... Just... So Balli. The severity of an airborne disease is barely affected by how much you breath. It may affect the rate of contamination among a group of people, though.
That's just so Oblivious :D

You stomp around this board criticising anyone who dares compare this series to real life. But just there you have ignored the actual science of FOXDIE, a fictional virus, to apply real life science...the very thing you criticise me for
Oh, poor little thing. I offer my apologies if I hurt you.


... But you were using real life logic (like you always do while talking about dead serious MG) and I answered using that as well. So... Even when we're discussing things from the same perspective, you seem to state often silly and cute things.

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suspension of disbelief is where you put aside something in a medium you know isn't real but go with it for the sake of being entertained. Like black and white movies. You don't see in black and white (or I doubt you do anyway) but you go with it anyway to be entertained by it.

Same thing with Big Boss's coma. If he recovers in a short amount of time, then we'd suspend our disbelief for the sake of being entertained by the game instead of watching a Rocky training montage or something.

Finally! Common sense!
You clearly have no response, so you've started talking about Big Boss gaining weight!? :wacko: :D Based on an assumption that Big Boss gained weight in super quick time.

What you are saying is that nobody else can use real life logic, except you.

And you haven't hurt me, you've probably helped me clarify how I speak ;) So thanks :)
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I always wondered why Kaz wasn't like, "WTF, you're up?!"

I just assumed they didn't show the whole scene.
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Jun 17 2014, 09:58:26 PM
You clearly have no response, so you've started talking about Big Boss gaining weight!? :wacko: :D Based on an assumption that Big Boss gained weight in super quick time.

What the hell are you talking about? I don't even know why you're saying something about the weight topic if I wasn't discussing it with you. You seem to be trying to win this argument in any way possible. This is not a competition, deary.

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What you are saying is that nobody else can use real life logic, except you.

What the...? I actually have no idea what are you trying to say. Seriously. I'm merely saying that people insisting about the realistic view and that no other thing is possible because - according to them - is stupid should cut it out. Just like Tibbs said, let's just wait and see.
Whatever you're trying to state that I'm saying is... Wrong. You know, perhaps you can state as true things you think are true in MG, but you can't do that with real people.

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And you haven't hurt me, you've probably helped me clarify how I speak ;) So thanks :)

Good. I was worried. :-)
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What the hell are you talking about? I don't even know why you're saying something about the weight topic if I wasn't discussing it with you. You seem to be trying to win this argument in any way possible. This is not a competition, deary.
My bad ;)
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What the...? I actually have no idea what are you trying to say. Seriously. I'm merely saying that people insisting about the realistic view and that no other thing is possible because - according to them - is stupid should cut it out. Just like Tibbs said, let's just wait and see.
Whatever you're trying to state that I'm saying is... Wrong. You know, perhaps you can state as true things you think are true in MG, but you can't do that with real people.
But I'm not talking about the realistic view, I'm talking about a fictional virus with a set fictional mechanic.

If we can't use real life comparisons in our discussions, then we will end up being able to say anything. There must be a line here that we can't cross.
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