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Just thought of something.; Regarding Ocelot's past.
Topic Started: Jun 16 2014, 02:16:57 AM (2,081 Views)
StealthyOne
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Wasn't it stated that Ocelot's parents were The Boss and The Sorrow? Why is it that Ocelot seems to hold no anger towards BB for killing his mother? Maybe he was unaware that she was his mother? Just a confusing thought I just had. I would find it hard to idolize and look up to someone who killed my mother. I'm open to your theories. Maybe there was something I missed.
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StealthyOne
Jun 16 2014, 02:16:57 AM
Wasn't it stated that Ocelot's parents were The Boss and The Sorrow? Why is it that Ocelot seems to hold no anger towards BB for killing his mother? Maybe he was unaware that she was his mother? Just a confusing thought I just had. I would find it hard to idolize and look up to someone who killed my mother. I'm open to your theories. Maybe there was something I missed.
I'm pretty sure that Ocelot never knew who his mother was.
Only Big Boss would have known,
And I'm sure it was never a topic that came up at dinner for those two.

Btw remember that one time I killed your mom?
Yea... Good times...


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Jun 16 2014, 02:19:33 AM
Btw remember that one time I killed your mom?
Yea... Good times...
great post lol
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I actually think Ocelot knew, or maybe eventually did given that he's a member of the patriots and probably has a large information network.

But I don't think Ocelot is the kind of person who'd blame Big Boss for doing what he did when he had no choice. Besides, Ocelot was not that close with The Boss, so I can't imagine it being that huge of a deal for him.
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Maybe. Then again Ocelot might have understood The Boss' final mission of sacrificing herself as her final mission. And he looked up to BB for being able to carry out that task, even though BB loved her. All while looking up to his mother for the sacrifice she made for her beliefs. You can definitely sense a motherly presence in MGS3 in the way that she scolds Ocelot in certain scenes.
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Jun 16 2014, 02:21:10 AM
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Jun 16 2014, 02:19:33 AM
Btw remember that one time I killed your mom?
Yea... Good times...
great post lol
I agree. This made me chuckle. lol.
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StealthyOne
Jun 16 2014, 02:23:55 AM
Maybe. Then again Ocelot might have understood The Boss' final mission of sacrificing herself as her final mission. And he looked up to BB for being able to carry out that task, even though BB loved her. All while looking up to his mother for the sacrifice she made for her beliefs. You can definitely sense a motherly presence in MGS3 in the way that she scolds Ocelot in certain scenes.
True, but it was only one-sided. The Boss obviously showed some motherly emotions for Ocelot, but Ocelot did not treat here like a mother. More like his superior if anything.
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Well in a war time setting, it would be hard to have a proper mother-son relationship. Perhaps his looking up to her as his superior was his way of acknowledging her as his mother? Shit, if The Boss was my mom i'd act the same way. lol.
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I always assumed he found out somehow; and must've found out about her mission and hates the Patriots and the other people involved with her death alongside Big Boss, who he'd might even see as a brother considering he was closer to The Boss than he ever was.
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Jun 16 2014, 02:34:32 AM
I always assumed he found out somehow; and must've found out about her mission and hates the Patriots and the other people involved with her death alongside Big Boss, who he'd might even see as a brother considering he was closer to The Boss than he ever was.
I kind of like this, actually.
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Jun 16 2014, 02:19:33 AM
StealthyOne
Jun 16 2014, 02:16:57 AM

Btw remember that one time I killed your mom?
Yea... Good times...
LMAO

SN: Didn't Ocelot only join the Patriots with the deal that Big Boss joins too? Could he be in Mother Base as a double agent trying to, somehow, convince BB to join the Patriots?
Unless I completely missed that part already
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Jun 16 2014, 02:34:32 AM
I always assumed he found out somehow; and must've found out about her mission and hates the Patriots and the other people involved with her death alongside Big Boss, who he'd might even see as a brother considering he was closer to The Boss than he ever was.
The Boss was somewhat of a "mother" to Big Boss so I can definitely picture Ocelot and BB having a brotherly relationship.

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If I remember correctly, The Boss said something about how Ocelot didn't know, not mentioning him by name of course, but to the effect that he grew up never knowing who his mother was, and further that she wanted to keep it that way as she's a soldier and not a mother?

Could be wrong, but that's whats playing out in my head from MGS3.
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Ocelot is basically a heartless killer. I don't think he would care even if he knew during Snake Eater.
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I don't think he knew during MGS3 but I do think the info could have had a part in his motives later on as he matured.
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I don't think he ever found out or particularly cared. I mean, in MGS3 he's in his mid-twenties or something, right?

And during the missions I doubt he spends too much time worrying about his unknown mother. It feels more like an interesting piece of trivia than important information.

Good question though. I never thought too much about it.
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During Snake Eater, Ocelot was unaware of his relationship to the Boss, as far as we know. And if he found out later...? Well, if Ocelot would blame anyone for what happened, he'd probably blame himself. After all, he was aware of the Boss's mission and working with the CIA. Unlike BB, he knew that the Boss hadn't really defected.

Actually, I wonder if finding out about his relationship to the Boss might have motivated him to join up with Zero and create the Patriots in the first place.
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Jun 16 2014, 04:42:25 AM
If I remember correctly, The Boss said something about how Ocelot didn't know, not mentioning him by name of course, but to the effect that he grew up never knowing who his mother was, and further that she wanted to keep it that way as she's a soldier and not a mother?

Could be wrong, but that's whats playing out in my head from MGS3.
Eva said that he never knew who she was....I'm guessing BB told him eventually. they do become close and I don't see why he wouldn't, I'm sure he knew Ocelot would understand what needed to be done
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