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Just thought of something.; Regarding Ocelot's past.
Topic Started: Jun 16 2014, 02:16:57 AM (2,084 Views)
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Ocelot doesn't know, or else he wouldn't gay with Big Boss.
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Ocelot's Gay? :roy:
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He was promoted to major because he was The Boss' son, so that implies that his superiors knew and perhaps he as well. He also knew about The Boss' mission, since he was ADAM, so if he knew Snake killed his mother, he'd have no particular reason to hate him. From his behaviour, though, it seems that he doesn't know his connection with The Boss. And IIRC, The Boss also mentioned he didn't know
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Jun 16 2014, 03:28:07 PM
He was promoted to major because he was The Boss' son
And where do you know this from?
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Jun 16 2014, 03:29:06 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 03:28:07 PM
He was promoted to major because he was The Boss' son
And where do you know this from?
I vaguely remember a convo from MGS3, stating that he was a major because he was the son of an important person. It's very unusual for someone his age to be a major, so I think Snake asked why/how he became one.But as I said, I vaguely remember
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Jun 16 2014, 03:34:02 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 03:29:06 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 03:28:07 PM
He was promoted to major because he was The Boss' son
And where do you know this from?
I vaguely remember a convo from MGS3, stating that he was a major because he was the son of an important person. It's very unusual for someone his age to be a major, so I think Snake asked why/how he became one.But as I said, I vaguely remember
We want evidence not your word. I don't recall this being said. So please,evidence .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD-XRhQRbSc The first 26 seconds is what he's referring to.
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Yeah, there was indeed such dialog, pretty hard to trigger, you need to call EVA like 20 or 30 times after boss fight with Ocelot.

Actually, I believe that Ocelot was also Volgin's insurance that the Boss won't betray him during the events of Snake Eater. Something like: "By the way, Boss, we have your son, so don't you even try to double-cross us". Although it didn't work quite well for Volgin, it implies that the Boss definitely knew who her son was.

As for Ocelot, like the guys already mentioned, he probably didn't know at that time, but found out later from Snake, who, in theory, shouldn't have had any troubles connecting EVA's info with what the Boss tells him at the end of MGS3. Plus, BB would have wondered who the Boss's son anyway, cause he was literally obsessed with her at that time.
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That's implying Boss actually knows. The codec call might not have actually taken place. It could have just been there for the player's recognition.
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Jun 16 2014, 10:46:50 PM
That's implying Boss actually knows. The codec call might not have actually taken place. It could have just been there for the player's recognition.
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Jun 16 2014, 10:50:32 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 10:46:50 PM
That's implying Boss actually knows. The codec call might not have actually taken place. It could have just been there for the player's recognition.
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I'm serious. It's an OPTIONAL call. It's not mandatory. How many of the calls were canon? Is the "Snake, Press X to climb the obstacle," call canon?
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Jun 16 2014, 10:50:32 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 10:46:50 PM
That's implying Boss actually knows. The codec call might not have actually taken place. It could have just been there for the player's recognition.
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I'm serious. It's an OPTIONAL call. It's not mandatory. How many of the calls were canon? Is the "Snake, Press X to climb the obstacle," call canon?
Everything containing info on the story is canon, simple as that. That theory of yours is taking it a bit too far
It's canon that snake completed the mission perfectly, not being spotted once and having listened to every call possible
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Doubt he ever really knew but you'd think him belonging to The Patriots later on he would have access to that type of information.

Nonetheless I doubt he would hate Big Boss for it after so long especially when he was involved in her death, even if it was unintentionally.
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Jun 16 2014, 10:46:50 PM
That's implying Boss actually knows. The codec call might not have actually taken place. It could have just been there for the player's recognition.
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I'm serious. It's an OPTIONAL call. It's not mandatory. How many of the calls were canon? Is the "Snake, Press X to climb the obstacle," call canon?
Everything containing info on the story is canon, simple as that. That theory of yours is taking it a bit too far
It's canon that snake completed the mission perfectly, not being spotted once and having listened to every call possible
Now you're just assuming. You don't get to choose what happened and what doesn't.

Is it really hard to see that I have doubts?
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Jun 16 2014, 10:46:50 PM
That's implying Boss actually knows. The codec call might not have actually taken place. It could have just been there for the player's recognition.
:roll:
I'm serious. It's an OPTIONAL call. It's not mandatory. How many of the calls were canon? Is the "Snake, Press X to climb the obstacle," call canon?
Everything containing info on the story is canon, simple as that. That theory of yours is taking it a bit too far
It's canon that snake completed the mission perfectly, not being spotted once and having listened to every call possible
Now you're just assuming. You don't get to choose what happened and what doesn't.

Is it really hard to see that I have doubts?
Indeed, you don't get to choose what happened and what didn't. That's why it all happened.
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Jun 16 2014, 02:34:32 AM
I always assumed he found out somehow; and must've found out about her mission and hates the Patriots and the other people involved with her death alongside Big Boss, who he'd might even see as a brother considering he was closer to The Boss than he ever was.
Good post. I think that either Zero or Big Boss informed him back when they were all together as the Patriots. Or Ocelot, and his sneaky ass found out himself and apart from orders from Zero, he enjoyed killing the DCI since he thought he was getting revenge for the Boss by accomplishing the early steps to building what he sees as her will and to get revenge on the Philosophers for how they dealt with her, his dad and his grandad. The Philosophers technically screwed up his life.

Whatever he found out, I think he found out after Operation Snake Eater. I think by PO Ocelot knows she was his mother. Perhaps he sees being loyal to Big Boss and having such great respect for him is a way of being closer to his mom. The love may not be necessarily brotherly, it could be fatherly too, probably why playing off as Snake's Bro during MGS4 wasn't such a bad idea to him. In trying to fulfill Big Boss' Outer Heaven thought he was doing what his mom wants.

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He was promoted to major because he was The Boss' son, so that implies that his superiors knew and perhaps he as well. He also knew about The Boss' mission, since he was ADAM, so if he knew Snake killed his mother, he'd have no particular reason to hate him. From his behaviour, though, it seems that he doesn't know his connection with The Boss. And IIRC, The Boss also mentioned he didn't know


The Boss may have kept it from him at the time to protect him.
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This whole "what's canon stuff" is getting ridiculous. Unless it's specifically addressed by the developer, every part of the game's story is canon. All of it
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Jun 16 2014, 11:15:20 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 10:57:59 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 10:50:32 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 10:46:50 PM
That's implying Boss actually knows. The codec call might not have actually taken place. It could have just been there for the player's recognition.
:roll:
I'm serious. It's an OPTIONAL call. It's not mandatory. How many of the calls were canon? Is the "Snake, Press X to climb the obstacle," call canon?
Everything containing info on the story is canon, simple as that. That theory of yours is taking it a bit too far
It's canon that snake completed the mission perfectly, not being spotted once and having listened to every call possible
Now you're just assuming. You don't get to choose what happened and what doesn't.

Is it really hard to see that I have doubts?
Indeed, you don't get to choose what happened and what didn't. That's why it all happened.
75% of the codec calls in MGS3 are not mandatory. So does that mean that all of those calls are just meaningless now? who decides?...I don't understand the logic in this.
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So if people are saying Eva's call isn't canon because it's optional...end of thread. We have nothing to talk about. Ocelot wasn't The Boss' son, because I'm pretty sure that's the call that connects what The Boss says with Ocelot.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:23:11 PM
So if people are saying Eva's call isn't canon because it's optional...end of thread. We have nothing to talk about. Ocelot wasn't The Boss' son, because I'm pretty sure that's the call that connects what The Boss says with Ocelot.
Not really. Just because she doesn't say it, that doesn't mean facts change.
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