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Who creates Diamond Dogs?; I don't think it is Big Boss.
Topic Started: Jun 16 2014, 12:22:59 PM (2,497 Views)
jonhou
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So something I haven't seen mentioned in any trailer analyses, or here on the boards, is that Big Boss might not be the one who establishes Diamond Dogs.
In the red band/director's cut of the e3 2014 trailer around the 2:15-2:16 mark we see Kaz in a helicopter, presumably after being saved by BB in Afghanistan, we can see he is wearing the same green shirt as in the e3 trailer from last year. Kaz pulls a jacket over him and reveals a Diamond Dogs patch. But where did he get that? We know that saving Kaz is one of the first missions in the game, so I doubt BB would have time establish a whole new group and set up a new base of operations.

So I am thinking Kaz establishes Diamond Dogs, perhaps together with Ocelot, sometime before his capture.

So what do you guys think, plausible or have I missed something completely obvious?
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If you look closely during the E3 2013 demo, before rescuing Kaz, you can notice a Diamond Dogs patch on his Big Boss' arm. I think Big Boss was acquitted with Diamond Dogs and then went ahead to rescue Kaz.
Edited by The Baneposter, Jun 16 2014, 12:27:20 PM.
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jonhou
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Just saw it, but that still fits with my theory though.
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I would say Ocelot and Miller while BB was in his coma. After rescuing Snake by Ocelot or while rescuing snake, miller got captured and ocelot leads diamond dogs and send snake to rescue kaz. Then they go all on revenge with diamond dogs. In the end they are going seperated ways and snake turns evil creating outer heaven.

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The Diamond Dogs were created with the immortal souls of warriors long since past. Since we're in hell[and deeper], well, the Devil..

Formed in magma, we arise
With revenge, forged tribute
brothers' eyes

Seen and unseen, shine through eternity
all else be enemy
brothers' cries

Not on deaf ears, we fight for those we lost
retribution in this night
Without flag or rank our light lives on
We're Diamond Dogs!
We're Diamond Dogs!
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I firmly believe DD is formed by Kaz, in the wake of Big Boss's coma.

I also think that the latest trailer sheds light on Kaz and Snake's relationship falling, there's a sort of separation between them. It could also be the reason why its depicted in the trailers that Snake is testing one of the soliders allegiance by trying to force him to stab Snake in the chest. I believe there are soldiers who only respond to Kaz as their leader, and vice versa, Soldiers who respond to BB as their leader.

Could also explain why BB is killing his own diamond dogs soldiers at the end.
Edited by Acid Boss, Jun 16 2014, 06:16:10 PM.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:04:54 PM
The Diamond Dogs were created with the immortal souls of warriors long since past. Since we're in hell[and deeper], well, the Devil..

Formed in magma, we arise
With revenge, forged tribute
brothers' eyes

Seen and unseen, shine through eternity
all else be enemy
brothers' cries

Not on deaf ears, we fight for those we lost
retribution in this night
Without flag or rank our light lives on
We're Diamond Dogs!
We're Diamond Dogs!
Thanks for contributing nothing.
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Most likely Kaz and Ocelot
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Jun 16 2014, 06:13:15 PM
Snake is testing one of the soliders allegiance by trying to force him to stab Snake in the chest.
nah man. the two soldiers were sparring, when one was on the ground in pain the other pulled out the knife. i think what BB was doing was teaching him a lesson. When the soldier was shaking his head no. being very obvious he didnt want to stab BB. The point (i think) he was trying to get across is why would that soldier value his life more than the other. Why stab the other, but not stab BB. He was trying to get across that they are all brothers, and all their lives should be valued equally. If you wouldnt kill boss, why would you kill your comrade. Its a brotherhood. Theyre a family. Thats what i think bb was trying to do.
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Jun 16 2014, 11:50:01 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 06:13:15 PM
Snake is testing one of the soliders allegiance by trying to force him to stab Snake in the chest.
nah man. the two soldiers were sparring, when one was on the ground in pain the other pulled out the knife. i think what BB was doing was teaching him a lesson. When the soldier was shaking his head no. being very obvious he didnt want to stab BB. The point (i think) he was trying to get across is why would that soldier value his life more than the other. Why stab the other, but not stab BB. He was trying to get across that they are all brothers, and all their lives should be valued equally. If you wouldnt kill boss, why would you kill your comrade. Its a brotherhood. Theyre a family. Thats what i think bb was trying to do.
Yeah, I think he's trying to emphasize that they are all equal. Doesn't matter where they came from, what they've done as long as you love methey are brothers in war. They are Diamond Dogs.
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I just thought Big Boss was trying to turn em in to a crazy ass killer lol but i like that theory of brotherhood more
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Yeah, it's definitely brotherhood. And/Or teaching a lesson.
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I still think that the sparring matches we're seeing are actually some of Ocelot's men fighting with members of DD. Someone else mentioned how some of the soldiers in the trailer were wearing yellow scarves. Similar to the Ocelot Unit's red scarves in mgs3.
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jonhou
Jun 16 2014, 06:21:57 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 06:04:54 PM
The Diamond Dogs were created with the immortal souls of warriors long since past. Since we're in hell[and deeper], well, the Devil..

Formed in magma, we arise
With revenge, forged tribute
brothers' eyes

Seen and unseen, shine through eternity
all else be enemy
brothers' cries

Not on deaf ears, we fight for those we lost
retribution in this night
Without flag or rank our light lives on
We're Diamond Dogs!
We're Diamond Dogs!
Thanks for contributing nothing.
Oh yeah, I posted that in the wrong forum. Sorry about that. I was reading this forum, meant to post this in the PF chat thread and then, well you know what happened. But after reading through this all again, I'd say it's Big Boss who creates the Diamond Dogs out of a sense of loss and brotherhood or tribute to his lost brethren( to recapture the spirit of Mother Base). After all, they are dogs of war.
Edited by Agent27, Jun 17 2014, 02:53:46 PM.
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I think Kaz and perhaps Ocelot do, but under belief that Big Boss is entitled to the heir if he awakens.
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Ocelot is Diamond Dogs affiliated but not a Diamond Dog.
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Jun 17 2014, 03:13:28 PM
Ocelot is Diamond Dogs affiliated but not a Diamond Dog.
He could have still helped Kaz out.
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Jun 17 2014, 03:18:02 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 03:13:28 PM
Ocelot is Diamond Dogs affiliated but not a Diamond Dog.
He could have still helped Kaz out.
I agree, since Ocelot apparently picked up Big Boss after his awakening and either gave him DD gear or brought him to the DD base.
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Seems Ocelot IS part of Diamond Dogs, the scene where the three soldiers are target practicing on mother base, he's wearing the DD patch on his arm.

And yeah, after analyzing the trailer more, it does seem that the two scenes are connected, (the soldiers sparring and BB teaching him a lesson). Seems like BB comes in to end the sparring and remind the soldiers, you kill them, you might as well kill me.
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Jun 17 2014, 03:39:51 PM
Seems Ocelot IS part of Diamond Dogs, the scene where the three soldiers are target practicing on mother base, he's wearing the DD patch on his arm.

And yeah, after analyzing the trailer more, it does seem that the two scenes are connected, (the soldiers sparring and BB teaching him a lesson). Seems like BB comes in to end the sparring and remind the soldiers, you kill them, you might as well kill me.
your right I didnt notice the arm band before, although I cant make out the symbol at all on my phone but I would imagine it would be DD since hes on mother base after all. For some reason I still cannot imagine Kaz and Ocelot being straight up partners and running Diamond Dogs pre big boss coming back into the picture but it looks like they might have been.
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