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Who creates Diamond Dogs?; I don't think it is Big Boss.
Topic Started: Jun 16 2014, 12:22:59 PM (2,496 Views)
Heisenberg
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The soldier who stabs Boss being Liquid years later is a lame theory. Because the knife looks alike? They all look alike. Not only would Liquid be more willing to stab Big Boss, but we have no reason at this point to believe the game spans years as we go.
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Well we know that Big Boss is already part of the group when he and Ocelot enter Afghanistan due to him having a DD patch on his right arm. The first time we actually see Ocelot sporting the patch is during the torture sequence in the E3 2013 trailer however according to reports on the 20 min gameplay demo Ocelot tells Snake something to effect that he has two days to rescue Kaz or "they" will never find out who attacked "them" this suggests that Ocelot is at that point part of the group. In addition Kaz is heard asking "Do you see this? Diamond Dogs our new home". Finally I doubt the new Motherbase was built by fairies so the most likely scenario is that Kaz became affiliated with Ocelot sometime during BB'S coma and they started Diamond Dogs and rebuilt Motherbase together.
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I know this seems kind of random, but seriously - in case Adamska and Kaz founded DiDo - how canīt their research teams make prosthetics such as Zadornovīs (the one Big Boss starts using) to Miller? In the MGVerse this seems plausible, and I think Miller is just using a mullet and a peg leg to add drama.

As for the on topic, itīs no doubt for me that Ocelot founded DiDo using Patriot money (because heīs a double agent and stuff) and let Miller assume control while being the second in command. Zero sent him to Big Bossīs side as a spy while not aware that he really is with Big Boss, while they think some way to get rid of Zero and Skull Face.
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Syke, oh, Mantis
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^ agreed. Ocelot funded either by Cipher or with his portion of the Legacy, maybe a combination of both. Boss probably doesn't know this. Thus, leading to a falling out between Boss/Kaz-Ocelot. This could actually explain a bunch. Might be on to something.
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Jun 19 2014, 04:55:14 AM
I know this seems kind of random, but seriously - in case Adamska and Kaz founded DiDo - how canīt their research teams make prosthetics such as Zadornovīs (the one Big Boss starts using) to Miller? In the MGVerse this seems plausible, and I think Miller is just using a mullet and a peg leg to add drama.

As for the on topic, itīs no doubt for me that Ocelot founded DiDo using Patriot money (because heīs a double agent and stuff) and let Miller assume control while being the second in command. Zero sent him to Big Bossīs side as a spy while not aware that he really is with Big Boss, while they think some way to get rid of Zero and Skull Face.
I think he gets a proper prosthetic leg later but not a prosthetic arm which is weird. Then again all the scenes of Miller we've seen so far could just be before he gets one.
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Maybe the span of time we are seeing miller is not long after his rescue. They weren't ready to outfit him with new body parts. Plus, unless I'm remembering it wrong , it looks like he's lost his entire arm unlike big boss.
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Mostly, he has a tiny stump from his arm shoulder down. so yeah, he lost more than Snake but not much more.
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I think Kaz starts Diamond Dogs and then allows BB to either take over or co-lead it with him.
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Kaz starts DD with the help of Ocelot, hoping to have it up and running once BB wakes up. Kaz is kind of looking after things while BB is in a coma, waiting to pass the reigns back to BB - only the waiting turns into years. DD was always there for BB to lead, at least that's how I see it.
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i'm sure Big Boss was the one who created Diamond Dogs and it's possible that Ocelot helped him. That jacket that Kaz picked up that has the logo on it could maybe prove Big Boss was a founder of this and Kaz as subcommander.
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Hmm, I do think Kaz is the one who made/founded it, I wonder if Ocelot helped or just showed up to help Big Boss.
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How many units this guy created? all those dead soldiers and bases destroyed, Boss should team up with another bad leader like Cobra Commander, maybe their bases/units wouldnt be destroyed so easily.
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Jun 25 2014, 08:16:25 AM
Boss should team up with another bad leader like Cobra Commander
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Isn't Kaz still a business partner with Zero and one of the only characters that has direct contact with him. I feel Kaz is going to sell BB's revenge out and become content by the money DD is racking in. Not to speak of Ocelot's connection with Zero also. BB will end up going his own path, hence teams up with SF to possibly launch Outer Heaven.
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Jun 19 2014, 06:34:11 AM
^ agreed. Ocelot funded either by Cipher or with his portion of the Legacy, maybe a combination of both. Boss probably doesn't know this. Thus, leading to a falling out between Boss/Kaz-Ocelot. This could actually explain a bunch. Might be on to something.
I think Mother Base was given to Kaz by the KGB. I could be wrong but I remember hearing or reading that the offshore rig was an operating base used by the Soviets located in the Pacific. So that would mean at least Kaz started DD and Big Boss is just joining/ assuming command coming out of his coma.
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Kaz and Ocelot probably start it but don't give it any name and then when Big Boss awakens and gets miller back they make it a new thing with Boss at the helm, and he christens it Diamond Dogs.
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Ok this is how I see it

Kaz(Maybe with Ocelot) creates DD in the 9 yrs of BB coma with MSF funds. I bet that Kaz and BB will be on the same page at the begining of TPP, since they both are vengenful. But when BB goes to far there will be a clash in leadership. And thats how Miller and BB relationship will fall out and maybe with DD aswell
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Jul 1 2014, 04:06:16 PM
Ok this is how I see it

Kaz(Maybe with Ocelot) creates DD in the 9 yrs of BB coma with MSF funds. I bet that Kaz and BB will be on the same page at the begining of TPP, since they both are vengenful. But when BB goes to far there will be a clash in leadership. And thats how Miller and BB relationship will fall out and maybe with DD aswell
I think Miller is still with BB on the Outer Heaven uprising. They join Foxhound together, so nothing (serious) happens in TPP. It's also a possibility that Miller joins Foxhound without knowing about Outer Heaven and calls BB a monster in MG2 because he betrayed him by creating OH behind his back. He can also be with BB through the entire thing, and lying to Snake in MG2, with the "BB is a monster" statement. Or he was with BB on the OH uprising, but something happened after that, which caused him to not join Zanzibar and call him a monster.
Might be a retcon incoming, though.
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