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BB assuming command of Foxhound... while he's a war criminall?; I smell a retcon
Topic Started: Jun 17 2014, 12:16:10 AM (2,925 Views)
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I've been wondering how BB could possibly assume command of a US special forces unit, having done whatever he supposedly did in 1984. Up to now, canon stated that BB was a hero in Africa and all his other adventures as a mercenary. He then retook command of Foxhound in 1990. However, suddenly we'll see a not so heroic BB in 1984, committing full-blown war crimes? Surely that disqualifies him for a position of that stature?

Perhaps we won't see the MG villain in this game, but rather a vengeful BB who might have questionable means, but ultimately is still heroic.
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i dont ever recall big boss being branded a war criminal until after the creation of OH. Feel free to correct me if im wrong, but i dont recall that.
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Why would the general public know about it? It's a secret unit.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:20:01 AM
Why would the general public know about it? It's a secret unit.
Exactly. If operated a secret unit, I would want BB on my side instead of having him as an enemy. That's for sure. BUt wasn't Foxhound a Cipher controlled unit? If that was the case, then maybe BB rejoins cipher, but only uses it as a ruse for his own personal gain.
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I've been wondering the same thing... Thinking big boss gets framed for crimes. Ocelot states the people who want him dead. The whole world... But possibly kaz finds out who really was responsible and he needs zero to bring back big boss
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The Patriots would know about what he's doung, right? They're monitoring him at all times. BB is supposed to become a demon in the game, so I think that qualifies as being a war criminal. Especially considering what we saw in the trailers. What could've happened, for him to be accepted into Foxhound???
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Jun 17 2014, 12:24:04 AM
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Jun 17 2014, 12:20:01 AM
Why would the general public know about it? It's a secret unit.
Exactly. If operated a secret unit, I would want BB on my side instead of having him as an enemy. That's for sure. BUt wasn't Foxhound a Cipher controlled unit? If that was the case, then maybe BB rejoins cipher, but only uses it as a ruse for his own personal gain.
Hmm, Zero did want BB at his side. It was his goal all along, so I can imagine him not giving a damn. I can also see BB setting it all up as a ruse, so you might be on to something
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If Foxhound was Patriot controlled, they might take BB back despite what he's done. Just to have him back. However, while BB is the leader of Foxhound, he's also leading Outer Heaven behind the scenes. Maybe he joins Foxhound as a way to get to Solid Snake. Sending his own clone into Outer Heaven in order to confront him and kill him off. Therefore removing one of Zero's ace-in-the-holes.
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Zero wants him back. Zero runs the US, therefore FOXHOUND. Big Boss would be a great asset, as well as getting his friend back.
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To add to my last post, maybe Zero allows BB to send in SS to see what happens. Using the situation as a kind of test for Solid Snake. Since SS ultimately defeats BB, Zero could consider the cloning of BB to be a success.
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How did Boss find out where his clones are? Do you gather he just met them by luck and realized, or do you think he tracked them down? I have a migraine, so idr.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:16:10 AM
I've been wondering how BB could possibly assume command of a US special forces unit, having done whatever he supposedly did in 1984. Up to now, canon stated that BB was a hero in Africa and all his other adventures as a mercenary. He then retook command of Foxhound in 1990. However, suddenly we'll see a not so heroic BB in 1984, committing full-blown war crimes? Surely that disqualifies him for a position of that stature?

Perhaps we won't see the MG villain in this game, but rather a vengeful BB who might have questionable means, but ultimately is still heroic.
You raise a good point there.

Isn't FH ultimately a US (Patriot/Zero) controlled unit? I don't really understand how BB could aggressively go after Cypher in TPP, and then take command of FH.

I've thought for a while that perhaps BB works with Cypher to take down Skull Face, though the latest E3 trailer suggests the opposite.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:33:44 AM
How did Boss find out where his clones are? Do you gather he just met them by luck and realized, or do you think he tracked them down? I have a migraine, so idr.
In MGS4, during Eva's recollection, she mentions that the cloning of BB was the "last straw" that led to BB leaving The Patriots. That would suggest that him finding out about his clones pissed him off and he parted ways with Zero.
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I would have thought the final straw was them wanting to clone him. Why would he wait until they actually did it?
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Jun 17 2014, 12:41:03 AM
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How did Boss find out where his clones are? Do you gather he just met them by luck and realized, or do you think he tracked them down? I have a migraine, so idr.
In MGS4, during Eva's recollection, she mentions that the cloning of BB was the "last straw" that led to BB leaving The Patriots. That would suggest that him finding out about his clones pissed him off and he parted ways with Zero.
I know, but how did he eventually learn of their existence, see who they were and what they became of themselves.
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How did Boss find out where his clones are? Do you gather he just met them by luck and realized, or do you think he tracked them down? I have a migraine, so idr.
In MGS4, during Eva's recollection, she mentions that the cloning of BB was the "last straw" that led to BB leaving The Patriots. That would suggest that him finding out about his clones pissed him off and he parted ways with Zero.
I know, but how did he eventually learn of their existence, see who they were and what they became of themselves.
I'm sorry, I read "who" instead of "where." My apologies.
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Perhaps the vast intel team of DD finds this information? Or maybe he finds out through Ocelot.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:51:55 AM
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Exactly!

If we assume MSF was in tatters, who better to protect BB during those 9 years than Cypher. Perhaps Zero fears Skull Face enough to turn to his old friend Jack out of desperation.
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