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BB assuming command of Foxhound... while he's a war criminall?; I smell a retcon
Topic Started: Jun 17 2014, 12:16:10 AM (2,929 Views)
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Jun 17 2014, 12:16:10 AM
Perhaps we won't see the MG villain in this game, but rather a vengeful BB who might have questionable means, but ultimately is still heroic.
My money is on this. Still open to a some horrific stuff though :cool:
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Jun 17 2014, 12:56:12 AM
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Jun 17 2014, 12:51:55 AM
Fox vs XoF
Exactly!

If we assume MSF was in tatters, who better to protect BB during those 9 years than Cypher. Perhaps Zero fears Skull Face enough to turn to his old friend Jack out of desperation.
Never thought about this. Cipher protecting BB in his coma. Nice.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:20:01 AM
Why would the general public know about it? It's a secret unit.
Exactly. If operated a secret unit, I would want BB on my side instead of having him as an enemy. That's for sure. BUt wasn't Foxhound a Cipher controlled unit? If that was the case, then maybe BB rejoins cipher, but only uses it as a ruse for his own personal gain.
Hmm, Zero did want BB at his side. It was his goal all along, so I can imagine him not giving a damn. I can also see BB setting it all up as a ruse, so you might be on to something
By god this is the most positive thing I've ever seen you written!


I'm fairly sure bb and zero come to an agreemant while bb secretly builds outer heaven:)
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Fox vs XoF
Exactly!

If we assume MSF was in tatters, who better to protect BB during those 9 years than Cypher. Perhaps Zero fears Skull Face enough to turn to his old friend Jack out of desperation.
Never thought about this. Cipher protecting BB in his coma. Nice.


I was banging that drum back in the Solidus thread, it made sense to me at least. But what the hell was BB doing with Skull Face in that latest trailer? Was he under duress (he didn't look like it), or did he ally with XoF and if so was it only to get close to Skull Face, and take him out?

So many questions!
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Fox vs XoF
Exactly!

If we assume MSF was in tatters, who better to protect BB during those 9 years than Cypher. Perhaps Zero fears Skull Face enough to turn to his old friend Jack out of desperation.
Wow, amazing speculation, there! I can definitely see BB being protected by Cypher during all those years
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Fox vs XoF
Exactly!

If we assume MSF was in tatters, who better to protect BB during those 9 years than Cypher. Perhaps Zero fears Skull Face enough to turn to his old friend Jack out of desperation.
Wow, amazing speculation, there! I can definitely see BB being protected by Cypher during all those years
This made me think of something. Regarding Psycho Mantis' alliances. Some people have suggested that Mantis is working with Ocelot or with XOF. But if Cipher is protecting BB during his coma, maybe Mantis is working with them. Mantis never actually attempts harm on BB. Maybe he uses the elevator explosion and the visions to lead BB away from XOF and danger in general. Basically saying "dont go this way." Then again that theory could also exist if Mantis was working with Ocelot i suppose.
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Jun 17 2014, 01:11:59 AM
RIP Bladewolf.
??? He's very much still with us.
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Jun 17 2014, 01:15:04 AM
This made me think of something. Regarding Psycho Mantis' alliances. Some people have suggested that Mantis is working with Ocelot or with XOF. But if Cipher is protecting BB during his coma, maybe Mantis is working with them. Mantis never actually attempts harm on BB. Maybe he uses the elevator explosion and the visions to lead BB away from XOF and danger in general. Basically saying "dont go this way."
Good point, all those visions actually did was lead him away from the elevator, and if I'm not mistaken Ocelot (presumably with Cypher at the time) grabs him outside the hospital on his horse.
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Plus there's a scene in the first Phantom Pain trailer where BB is on the ground with an XOF soldier (presumably) pointing a gun at him. And for a split second we see Mantis hovering behind the soldier. Maybe Mantis uses his TK to throw the soldier into a wall or something. Giving BB time to escape from a certain death.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:29:38 AM
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Jun 17 2014, 12:20:01 AM
Why would the general public know about it? It's a secret unit.
Exactly. If operated a secret unit, I would want BB on my side instead of having him as an enemy. That's for sure. BUt wasn't Foxhound a Cipher controlled unit? If that was the case, then maybe BB rejoins cipher, but only uses it as a ruse for his own personal gain.
Hmm, Zero did want BB at his side. It was his goal all along, so I can imagine him not giving a damn. I can also see BB setting it all up as a ruse, so you might be on to something
You just got the answer yourself :P

beside they might wanted to keep him under their control. unfortunately, he was using them as a cover for his Outer heaven.
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This made me think of something. Regarding Psycho Mantis' alliances. Some people have suggested that Mantis is working with Ocelot or with XOF. But if Cipher is protecting BB during his coma, maybe Mantis is working with them. Mantis never actually attempts harm on BB. Maybe he uses the elevator explosion and the visions to lead BB away from XOF and danger in general. Basically saying "dont go this way."
Good point, all those visions actually did was lead him away from the elevator, and if I'm not mistaken Ocelot (presumably with Cypher at the time) grabs him outside the hospital on his horse.
Then again, Mantis doesn't haunt the soldiers pursuing BB. And "those who don't exist" seem to have more meaning than mere visions.
I'm more inclined to think that Mantis is affiliated with Xof. However, he should be with the KGB at that point in his life
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How about this...

The Patriots are looking after him, but XOF find him and try to kill him. A Patriot chopper tries to save him, only for Mantis - working for Skull Face - to destroy the chopper with the whale. Ocelot comes to the rescue (a Patriot after all) and takes Big Boss away to build himself back up. Then word hits that Kaz has been taken by XOF - seeing as they lost Big Boss, they take Kaz as bait. Kaz is rescued. Shit happens and African kids get killed. Then Skull Face uses Mantis to take control of Big Boss, killing his own men (end of the trailer) and making it seem he is working with him. Big Boss breaks Mantis' control and kills Skull Face (for a small moment of victory to counterbalance all the terrible stuff he's done).
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Jun 17 2014, 01:34:47 AM
I'm more inclined to think that Mantis is affiliated with Xof. However, he should be with the KGB at that point in his life
This is true. Although it could be a retcon.
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Jun 17 2014, 01:37:14 AM
How about this...

The Patriots are looking after him, but XOF find him and try to kill him. A Patriot chopper tries to save him, only for Mantis - working for Skull Face - to destroy the chopper with the whale. Ocelot comes to the rescue (a Patriot after all) and takes Big Boss away to build himself back up. Then word hits that Kaz has been taken by XOF - seeing as they lost Big Boss, they take Kaz as bait. Kaz is rescued. Shit happens and African kids get killed. Then Skull Face uses Mantis to take control of Big Boss, killing his own men (end of the trailer) and making it seem he is working with him. Big Boss breaks Mantis' control and kills Skull Face (for a small moment of victory to counterbalance all the terrible stuff he's done).
The part about XOF taking Kaz as bait makes a lot of sense. But in the trailer, the soldiers BB kills at the end are the ones who appear to be under some kind of mind control. Not BB. They're not even trying to attack him. Instead they look like zombies or something. You'd think 4 men trained in CQC would make a better effort.
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This made me think of something. Regarding Psycho Mantis' alliances. Some people have suggested that Mantis is working with Ocelot or with XOF. But if Cipher is protecting BB during his coma, maybe Mantis is working with them. Mantis never actually attempts harm on BB. Maybe he uses the elevator explosion and the visions to lead BB away from XOF and danger in general. Basically saying "dont go this way."
Good point, all those visions actually did was lead him away from the elevator, and if I'm not mistaken Ocelot (presumably with Cypher at the time) grabs him outside the hospital on his horse.
Then again, Mantis doesn't haunt the soldiers pursuing BB. And "those who don't exist" seem to have more meaning than mere visions.
I'm more inclined to think that Mantis is affiliated with Xof. However, he should be with the KGB at that point in his life
I thought XOF originated form Cipher's Patriot!!
So why would a KGB working with XOF but on the other hand if Ocelot is on BB's side then he could have hired Mantis to help them.

Plus if you look at this http://youtu.be/J1Bu1lDD2So?t=3m7s
the helicopter looks like it coming to finish BB of but Mantis gets it by the flaming whale (but it could be the other way).
BTW anybody noticed the portal thing next to the flipped car, first time I've noticed this :blink:
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Then again, Mantis doesn't haunt the soldiers pursuing BB. And "those who don't exist" seem to have more meaning than mere visions.
I'm more inclined to think that Mantis is affiliated with Xof. However, he should be with the KGB at that point in his life
Yeah, it's hard to say who side Baby Mantis is on, but Ocelot is definitely on BB's.

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Then Skull Face uses Mantis to take control of Big Boss, killing his own men (end of the trailer) and making it seem he is working with him. Big Boss breaks Mantis' control and kills Skull Face (for a small moment of victory to counterbalance all the terrible stuff he's done).


I get what you're saying but if anyone looked as if they were not in full control of their motor functions it was the soldiers that BB killed IMO, especially that last guy who got shot in the temple.


Also, I just remembered that scene with BB shooting at a flaming horse, I'd guess that Mantis is with XoF.
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Ok, make it the soldiers and I'll get Hideo to get that in the works by Friday ;) :D
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BTW anybody noticed the portal thing next to the flipped car, first time I've noticed this :blink:
At about 3:07? I just noticed it too. My eye was drawn to the giant flaming whale all this time! :P

All I can say is that the flaming horse seems to require an input (shooting the gun) from the player to fend off, and if one vision is a threat, they probably all are. My money would be on Mantis being with XoF.

I'm starting to fall asleep here, I'll have to check back in tomorrow!
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All I can say is that the flaming horse seems to require an input (shooting the gun) from the player to fend off, and if one vision is a threat, they probably all are. My money would be on Mantis being with XoF.

You have a point here but I want Mantis to be on our side so hard :cry:
Maybe Mantis is like a third party and he is toying with both of them!

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