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BB assuming command of Foxhound... while he's a war criminall?; I smell a retcon
Topic Started: Jun 17 2014, 12:16:10 AM (2,928 Views)
Bladewolf
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
I think Big Boss is gonna save Zero ass in this game, and he returns to the US, Zero is not even guilty from MSF destruction from what we know, so i think Boss returns to the US but still funding Outer Heaven in secret, lets not forget that BB is not a bum, he is rich as fuck, Ocelot played the whole world, Chiper is not infallible (until the AIs at least).
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This is true. Although it could be a retcon.


Mantis could still be working with KGB. He could play a double agent in this game. Is he pre-FBI at this point?

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I think Big Boss is gonna save Zero ass in this game, and he returns to the US, Zero is not even guilty from MSF destruction from what we know, so i think Boss returns to the US but still funding Outer Heaven in secret, lets not forget that BB is not a bum, he is rich as fuck, Ocelot played the whole world, Chiper is not infallible (until the AIs at least).


I believe so too. Skull Face knows where Zero is hiding from Paz but I don't think he can getting to him is easy. So he'll need Big Boss' help. I believe Zero is responsible for the XOF attack but he's unaware that SkullFace is out to betray him. If I recall, EVA was saying in MGS4 that Zero really felt betrayed and couldn't trust human will to carry out his will because after BB returned to the US he plotted to destroy him behind his back in running Outer Heaven. So I agree, I think Big Boss returns to the Patriots for awhile which is how he's allowed to run FOXHOUND again because they must have came to some peace pact.
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Arguably, George W. Bush (an actual real-world US president) committed war crimes and was then re-elected in spite of that.

But hey man, these kind of things are in the grey area most of the time and history is written by the victors.

Also keep in mind that Zero still cared for Big Boss (and vice versa) despite being political enemies of one another.
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Jun 17 2014, 08:07:31 AM
Arguably, George W. Bush (an actual real-world US president) committed war crimes and was then re-elected in spite of that.

But hey man, these kind of things are in the grey area most of the time and history is written by the victors.

Also keep in mind that Zero still cared for Big Boss (and vice versa) despite being political enemies of one another.
Going to war over oil and/or personal gain =/= a war crime. It's just stupid, especially since China ultimately walked away with all the oil
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Jun 17 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Gun Animal
Jun 17 2014, 08:07:31 AM
Arguably, George W. Bush (an actual real-world US president) committed war crimes and was then re-elected in spite of that.

But hey man, these kind of things are in the grey area most of the time and history is written by the victors.

Also keep in mind that Zero still cared for Big Boss (and vice versa) despite being political enemies of one another.
Going to war over oil and/or personal gain =/= a war crime. It's just stupid, especially since China ultimately walked away with all the oil
I don't think that's what Gun Animal was referring too, but I could be wrong. There are actual rules of war that are supposed to be followed and illegal war is possible. I usually try to avoid talking about politics and religion, especially on the internet, so I'll just leave it there. I also hate typing and this tiny phone touchpad.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:39:48 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Gun Animal
Jun 17 2014, 08:07:31 AM
Arguably, George W. Bush (an actual real-world US president) committed war crimes and was then re-elected in spite of that.

But hey man, these kind of things are in the grey area most of the time and history is written by the victors.

Also keep in mind that Zero still cared for Big Boss (and vice versa) despite being political enemies of one another.
Going to war over oil and/or personal gain =/= a war crime. It's just stupid, especially since China ultimately walked away with all the oil
I don't think that's what Gun Animal was referring too, but I could be wrong. There are actual rules of war that are supposed to be followed and illegal war is possible. I usually try to avoid talking about politics and religion, especially on the internet, so I'll just leave it there. I also hate typing and this tiny phone touchpad.
Going to war over the most futile thing is not a war crime. What you do during that war can be a war crime. If the US would invade Mexico, it'd still not be a war crime.
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Jun 17 2014, 01:22:56 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 12:39:48 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Gun Animal
Jun 17 2014, 08:07:31 AM
Arguably, George W. Bush (an actual real-world US president) committed war crimes and was then re-elected in spite of that.

But hey man, these kind of things are in the grey area most of the time and history is written by the victors.

Also keep in mind that Zero still cared for Big Boss (and vice versa) despite being political enemies of one another.
Going to war over oil and/or personal gain =/= a war crime. It's just stupid, especially since China ultimately walked away with all the oil
I don't think that's what Gun Animal was referring too, but I could be wrong. There are actual rules of war that are supposed to be followed and illegal war is possible. I usually try to avoid talking about politics and religion, especially on the internet, so I'll just leave it there. I also hate typing and this tiny phone touchpad.
Going to war over the most futile thing is not a war crime. What you do during that war can be a war crime. If the US would invade Mexico, it'd still not be a war crime.
My God. *recoils in horror from the screen*

You can't just role out of bed and invade whatever country you like without rhyme or reason Joy. Well you could but it wouldn't exactly be legal, or sane.

We live in a world of treaties, charters and resolutions. Even those who argue for the legality of the Iraq invasion claim that the required conditions were met, which is very much disputed.
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Jun 17 2014, 01:43:48 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Kenny FastThumbs
Jun 17 2014, 12:39:48 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Gun Animal
Jun 17 2014, 08:07:31 AM
Arguably, George W. Bush (an actual real-world US president) committed war crimes and was then re-elected in spite of that.

But hey man, these kind of things are in the grey area most of the time and history is written by the victors.

Also keep in mind that Zero still cared for Big Boss (and vice versa) despite being political enemies of one another.
Going to war over oil and/or personal gain =/= a war crime. It's just stupid, especially since China ultimately walked away with all the oil
I don't think that's what Gun Animal was referring too, but I could be wrong. There are actual rules of war that are supposed to be followed and illegal war is possible. I usually try to avoid talking about politics and religion, especially on the internet, so I'll just leave it there. I also hate typing and this tiny phone touchpad.
Going to war over the most futile thing is not a war crime. What you do during that war can be a war crime. If the US would invade Mexico, it'd still not be a war crime.
My God. *recoils in horror from the screen*

You can't just role out of bed and invade whatever country you like without rhyme or reason Joy. Well you could but it wouldn't exactly be legal, or sane.

We live in a world of treaties, charters and resolutions. Even those who argue for the legality of the Iraq invasion claim that the required conditions were met, which is very much disputed.
Yes, I know it's wrong and all. All I'm saying is that war crimes are totally different to things like that. A war crime is executing civilians for example, invading a country is something different. They're both bad, but invading a country is not called a war crime.

Russia's army passing Ukranian borders isn't a war crime, though it is illegitimate.
Bosnia executing muslims in the 90's was a war crime.

I hope you don't think I'm some sort of nutjob who thinks it's okay to invade countries now :D
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Jun 17 2014, 02:09:52 PM
Kenny FastThumbs
Jun 17 2014, 01:43:48 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 01:22:56 PM
Kenny FastThumbs
Jun 17 2014, 12:39:48 PM
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Jun 17 2014, 11:40:30 AM
Gun Animal
Jun 17 2014, 08:07:31 AM
Arguably, George W. Bush (an actual real-world US president) committed war crimes and was then re-elected in spite of that.

But hey man, these kind of things are in the grey area most of the time and history is written by the victors.

Also keep in mind that Zero still cared for Big Boss (and vice versa) despite being political enemies of one another.
Going to war over oil and/or personal gain =/= a war crime. It's just stupid, especially since China ultimately walked away with all the oil
I don't think that's what Gun Animal was referring too, but I could be wrong. There are actual rules of war that are supposed to be followed and illegal war is possible. I usually try to avoid talking about politics and religion, especially on the internet, so I'll just leave it there. I also hate typing and this tiny phone touchpad.
Going to war over the most futile thing is not a war crime. What you do during that war can be a war crime. If the US would invade Mexico, it'd still not be a war crime.
My God. *recoils in horror from the screen*

You can't just role out of bed and invade whatever country you like without rhyme or reason Joy. Well you could but it wouldn't exactly be legal, or sane.

We live in a world of treaties, charters and resolutions. Even those who argue for the legality of the Iraq invasion claim that the required conditions were met, which is very much disputed.
Yes, I know it's wrong and all. All I'm saying is that war crimes are totally different to things like that. A war crime is executing civilians for example, invading a country is something different. They're both bad, but invading a country is not called a war crime.

Russia's army passing Ukranian borders isn't a war crime, though it is illegitimate.
Bosnia executing muslims in the 90's was a war crime.

I hope you don't think I'm some sort of nutjob who thinks it's okay to invade countries now :D
This needs distilling. Hague and Geneva Convention are the regulations or "laws of war" regarding the war crimes of which you speak. They govern things such as treatment of POWs and distinctions between combatant and non-combatant. Forgive me, its been almost a decade.

Caveat: there are even very specific rules of engagement which differ by AO and typically are not discussed outside of the military. Trust me, they're strict.
Edited by Agent27, Jun 17 2014, 02:19:15 PM.
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Jun 17 2014, 02:09:52 PM
Yes, I know it's wrong and all. All I'm saying is that war crimes are totally different to things like that. A war crime is executing civilians for example, invading a country is something different. They're both bad, but invading a country is not called a war crime.

Russia's army passing Ukranian borders isn't a war crime, though it is illegitimate.
Bosnia executing muslims in the 90's was a war crime.

I hope you don't think I'm some sort of nutjob who thinks it's okay to invade countries now :D
It's all good man. We're getting into semantics now and the strict legal definition of a war crime. I'm honestly not sure if illegal invasion constitutes a war crime under a court of law but it's still an illegal act in support of war obviously.

Agent27 just referenced a few things that I wasn't going to. I'm sure the answer could easily be dug up online, but the digging would probably raise red flags that I'd rather avoid. I'm also not going to discuss the details of what went on in Iraq or even give an opinion.

Ultimately we were speculating as to what Gun Animal was implying and I'm sure he can speak for himself.

Back to talking about MG, but first I'm off to the beach, later!
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I honestly don't see how this won't be retconned in some way.
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Judging from how much of a boner Zero has for Big Boss, I can see Big Boss batting an eyelash while falsely begging for forgiveness or something, with Zero being jolly about his 'Idol' returning.
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Jun 17 2014, 12:16:10 AM

Perhaps we won't see the MG villain in this game, but rather a vengeful BB who might have questionable means, but ultimately is still heroic.
I really hope his actions wont fall into the grey area category.

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Jun 17 2014, 12:16:10 AM

Perhaps we won't see the MG villain in this game, but rather a vengeful BB who might have questionable means, but ultimately is still heroic.
I really hope his actions wont fall into the grey area category.

http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=14712
I do want it to become grey. Not the sissy kind of grey, but the kind of grey that really disgusts you, yet you understand and maybe even support it. Much like America's Guantanamo Bay. Horrid stuff goes down there and you want to be against it, yet deep down you kind of understand (and some support it). After this game, BB must be so grey that half of the fans support his actions and the other half is disgusted by him.
That's how it should be, anyway.
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There's always going to be a grey area. I just don't want it to be the main focus.
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The fact that Kojima is inspired by Walter White is good. However, Kojima can't write nearly that good so it might not be conveyed as well. We will see.
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Just don't make the horn responsible! Although, it doesn't sound like it will be.
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Just don't make the horn responsible! Although, it doesn't sound like it will be.
I sincerely hope that too.
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Just don't make the horn responsible! Although, it doesn't sound like it will be.
I sincerely hope that too.
The horn is decoy octopus.
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Just don't make the horn responsible! Although, it doesn't sound like it will be.
I sincerely hope that too.
The horn is decoy octopus.
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