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Phantom Pain Gameplay Presentation
Topic Started: Jun 19 2014, 01:09:36 PM (30,192 Views)
Boxman108
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The moment the graphics see a downgrade, the fanboys change sides and say they never mattered in the first place lol. So much for the amazing fox engine. Games like RDR have way better lighting engines, far less pop in, and have far more content than GZ. TPP won't be too different.

As far as better AI goes, there's MGS2 and 3, pretty much most of the Halo games, TLoU, etc. How can anyone not see that they are nowhere near agressive enough, nor equipped well enough, especially now with a more OP CQC system, instant regen health, ability to sprint, no stamina or psyche or stress to hold Snake back, tagging, reflex, being able to "knock" anywhere, OP boxes, etc.? Feels like it's the complete opposite of the design philosophy behind gems like Demon's or Dark Souls and even in those the AI could be wonky. Pretty much the only good thing they've added is bullet drop.
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Boxman108
Jun 20 2014, 02:13:07 AM
The moment the graphics see a downgrade, the fanboys change sides and say they never mattered in the first place lol. So much for the amazing fox engine. Games like RDR have way better lighting engines, far less pop in, and have far more content than GZ.. TPP won't be too different.

As far as better AI goes, there's MGS2 and 3, pretty much most of the Halo games, TLoU, etc. How can anyone not see that they are nowhere near agressive enough, nor equipped well enough, especially now with a more OP CQC system, instant regen health, ability to sprint, no stamina or psyche or stress to hold Snake back, tagging, reflex, being able to "knock" anywhere, OP boxes, etc.? Feels like it's the complete opposite of the design philosophy behind gems like Demon's or Dark Souls and even in those the AI could be wonky. Pretty much the only good thing they've added is bullet drop.
What's that has to do with TPP?
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Boxman108
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200 x the size of GZ won't amount to much more than the average open world game.
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Boxman108
Jun 20 2014, 02:22:13 AM
200 x the size of GZ won't amount to much more than the average open world game.
It's fine to speculate, but when you're stating it as a fact, it is kinda hard to discuss it.
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
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Jun 20 2014, 02:10:30 AM
Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 02:02:27 AM
Risev
Jun 20 2014, 01:58:21 AM
Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 01:54:04 AM
The gameplay aspect is the most hype inducing thing about this game, looks great.
Fucking LOL at people who called me troll or idiot, there is your good graphics, not only look just plain bad but they are downgraded shit, this game is gonna look so poor in 2015, Fox Engine sucks, I thought only UBI pulled shit like that, but it seems like Kojima is learning fast.
Oh, graphics look bad? Damn, that sucks.
Yeah looks bad, I bought a next gen console to play games with next gen graphics, Witcher 3, a actual open world game is already confirmed as 1080p game in High PC settings for PS4 by the devs, this game looks like complete shit, i think looks even more poor than before, thanks to Koji bullshit.
so you are going to take a companies word for it yet you havent seen the final product, yet you shit on everything kojima does....makes sense
Tell me a reason to trust Kojima over others devs, after all the lies and promises in past games.
And yeah CDprojekt is one of the most honest devs out there, we are talking about devs that puts out free story dlc in their games against the guy who wanted to sell a demo for $40 before backpedaling after the shitstorm.
Edited by Bladewolf, Jun 20 2014, 02:31:32 AM.
Karma's a bitch, huh? Fucking hack
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Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 02:24:55 AM
JKMoneyShizzle
Jun 20 2014, 02:10:30 AM
Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 02:02:27 AM
Risev
Jun 20 2014, 01:58:21 AM
Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 01:54:04 AM
The gameplay aspect is the most hype inducing thing about this game, looks great.
Fucking LOL at people who called me troll or idiot, there is your good graphics, not only look just plain bad but they are downgraded shit, this game is gonna look so poor in 2015, Fox Engine sucks, I thought only UBI pulled shit like that, but it seems like Kojima is learning fast.
Oh, graphics look bad? Damn, that sucks.
Yeah looks bad, I bought a next gen console to play games with next gen graphics, Witcher 3, a actual open world game is already confirmed as 1080p game in High PC settings for PS4 by the devs, this game looks like complete shit, i think looks even more poor than before, thanks to Koji bullshit.
so you are going to take a companies word for it yet you havent seen the final product, yet you shit on everything kojima does....makes sense
Tell me a reason to trust Kojima over others devs, after all the lies and promises in past games.
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I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
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Grab that cane, pop that vicoden and tell them bitches it's not lupus!
Risev
Jun 20 2014, 02:23:59 AM
Boxman108
Jun 20 2014, 02:22:13 AM
200 x the size of GZ won't amount to much more than the average open world game.
It's fine to speculate, but when you're stating it as a fact, it is kinda hard to discuss it.
You're best off ignoring pretty much everything boxman says, he's done practically nothing but bitch and moan about the game for several months and has done next to nothing but call people fanboys and insult/harass them for disagreeing with him on anything.
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
Inspector_Swag
Jun 20 2014, 02:35:38 AM
I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
Its looks just bad man, im sorry maybe im used to past games being showcases in their time, but compared to past games, yeah..... this looks pretty poor, also, i dont know why people goes crazy on me, i think the gameplay could be the best in the series, but im not blind, this thing looks average at best.
Karma's a bitch, huh? Fucking hack
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Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 02:41:25 AM
Inspector_Swag
Jun 20 2014, 02:35:38 AM
I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
Its looks just bad man, im sorry maybe im used to past games being showcases in their time, but compared to past games, yeah..... this looks pretty poor, also, i dont know why people goes crazy on me, i think the gameplay could be the best in the series, but im not blind, this thing looks average at best.
It's not that people want to hate you, it's just that you don't really give them much reason not to.

Instead of saying "The graphics look like garbage", you could instead say something like "I don't think the graphics live up to my expectations, and I expected more. Still, I'll be able to enjoy the game regardless". The construction of your sentences goes a long way into presenting your arguments, trust me.
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Jun 20 2014, 02:41:25 AM
Inspector_Swag
Jun 20 2014, 02:35:38 AM
I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
Its looks just bad man, im sorry maybe im used to past games being showcases in their time, but compared to past games, yeah..... this looks pretty poor, also, i dont know why people goes crazy on me, i think the gameplay could be the best in the series, but im not blind, this thing looks average at best.
for once I agree with this guy. gameplay does look great. but compared to how mgs is usually the forefront of graphics in their respective eras, this one is just average. I wouldn't say shit, but there are plenty of better looking games out there.

I can't believe he complemented a mgs game though. wow
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Jun 20 2014, 02:47:52 AM
Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 02:41:25 AM
Inspector_Swag
Jun 20 2014, 02:35:38 AM
I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
Its looks just bad man, im sorry maybe im used to past games being showcases in their time, but compared to past games, yeah..... this looks pretty poor, also, i dont know why people goes crazy on me, i think the gameplay could be the best in the series, but im not blind, this thing looks average at best.
for once I agree with this guy. gameplay does look great. but compared to how mgs is usually the forefront of graphics in their respective eras, this one is just average. I wouldn't say shit, but there are plenty of better looking games out there.

I can't believe he complemented a mgs game though. wow
I wouldn't call it average, as I still think that the character models and facial expressions are some of the best in the business, but it's true that there are many better looking games out there. It's just that the times are different now. PCs were already out-performing the PS4 / Xbone since 2011. So expecting MGS, a console exclusive, to once again have top-tier graphics is just never going to happen again.
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It don't looks bad man, sure it has flaws such as pop ins and draw distance and it will not look so good as other games (in 2015/16) but calling it 'Poor' is a little bit too much imo.

I'm excited for this game and i hope kojima take the chance and time to polish the game.

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Jun 20 2014, 02:50:51 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 02:47:52 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 02:41:25 AM
Inspector_Swag
Jun 20 2014, 02:35:38 AM
I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
Its looks just bad man, im sorry maybe im used to past games being showcases in their time, but compared to past games, yeah..... this looks pretty poor, also, i dont know why people goes crazy on me, i think the gameplay could be the best in the series, but im not blind, this thing looks average at best.
for once I agree with this guy. gameplay does look great. but compared to how mgs is usually the forefront of graphics in their respective eras, this one is just average. I wouldn't say shit, but there are plenty of better looking games out there.

I can't believe he complemented a mgs game though. wow
I wouldn't call it average, as I still think that the character models and facial expressions are some of the best in the business, but it's true that there are many better looking games out there. It's just that the times are different now. PCs were already out-performing the PS4 / Xbone since 2011. So expecting MGS, a console exclusive, to once again have top-tier graphics is just never going to happen again.
it has nothing to do with PC. look at far cry 4. or uncharted 4. the witcher 3. tomb raiders ps4 remake.
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Jun 20 2014, 02:35:38 AM
I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
to say any game this gen looks like shit is being really moronic
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i for one am happy the graphics are suffering so we can have more gameplay options historically MGS games have done the opposite, remove features to add a little bit of extra textures that will be outdated in 5 years
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I'll need to hear the opening dialog once more, but from what I got out of it, I get the impression that it takes place immediately after the hospital escape. Question is, how did Big Boss get back in shape so quickly if true? Steroids? Got ripped at the DD gym?

Fulton: After thinking about it, I'd be okay with how the AI currently reacts (or doesn't) to recoveries so long as they're limited to, say, 5 or 6 uses. Though I strongly believe that the AI will be tweaked for this aspect of the game before release. Even then, I still think that limiting the number of Fulton recoveries one can make is the way to go.

Cardboard box: Seems overpowered as is. Granted, it's always been an over-powered item, but this New and Improved Box is too much, maybe even more so than the Assassin's Straw Box from PW. If what we saw in the gameplay presentation were a level 3 upgrade or something, then okay.

Supposedly butchered graphics that make your eyes melt: Meh. S'alright. Actually, I quite like the color scheme the Afghanistan level now boasts. My only complaint is that Ocelot looks too much like Troy Baker now.
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Jun 20 2014, 03:03:06 AM
i for one am happy the graphics are suffering so we can have more gameplay options historically MGS games have done the opposite, remove features to add a little bit of extra textures that will be outdated in 5 years
that's very true
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Jun 20 2014, 02:57:36 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 02:50:51 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 02:47:52 AM
Bladewolf
Jun 20 2014, 02:41:25 AM
Inspector_Swag
Jun 20 2014, 02:35:38 AM
I see Boxman's point about being OP. But Bladewolf, no offense man, you sounded retarded. This might not be the best graphics, but to say it looks like shit shows you're being ridiculous. I'm one of the few who doesn't hate you, and I think you make decent points a lot. But this game looks like shit? You're wrong.
Its looks just bad man, im sorry maybe im used to past games being showcases in their time, but compared to past games, yeah..... this looks pretty poor, also, i dont know why people goes crazy on me, i think the gameplay could be the best in the series, but im not blind, this thing looks average at best.
for once I agree with this guy. gameplay does look great. but compared to how mgs is usually the forefront of graphics in their respective eras, this one is just average. I wouldn't say shit, but there are plenty of better looking games out there.

I can't believe he complemented a mgs game though. wow
I wouldn't call it average, as I still think that the character models and facial expressions are some of the best in the business, but it's true that there are many better looking games out there. It's just that the times are different now. PCs were already out-performing the PS4 / Xbone since 2011. So expecting MGS, a console exclusive, to once again have top-tier graphics is just never going to happen again.
it has nothing to do with PC. look at far cry 4. or uncharted 4. the witcher 3. tomb raiders ps4 remake.
Well, I don't really think Far Cry 4 looks any better than this to be honest. Witcher 3 does, sure, but I also don't think we've seen it running on PS4 yet since they themselves said that their E3 demos were running on PC (not to mention is 30 fps on PS4).
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I feel like the game is much less big now that we've been in it. It was roughly 1000 m from start to the documents on this demo. The means the whole level is about 4 times that in length, so we can cover it pretty fast.

In the video he goes about 350 meters in 10 seconds on horseback. That means we can run the length of the Afghan map in about 5 and half minutes on horse.
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