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Phantom Pain Gameplay Presentation
Topic Started: Jun 19 2014, 01:09:36 PM (30,173 Views)
ballisticola
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After page 16 what happened to the Downgrade Crew!? :cookiemonster:

The whole Fulton debate. What people are basing their opinions on I don't know? Jackie has put hundreds of hours practice into playing this demo like this. He knows where each enemy is going to be and where they are looking. There is only one soldier (the seventh to be Fultoned, smoking next to the fire) that is even approaching looking in the right direction and he's a good 40m away. And it's unrealistic whatever way you have it, because surely a lot soldiers would notice balloons flying into the air from quite some distance away? And that would just be annoying. As for the sound they make. They shouldn't be screaming when they are knocked out anyway. That's just for our amusement. It would be completely unfair to knock someone out then have them suddenly scream when you Fulton them. "These things can take down an elephant...and these things can lift an elephant...so fast it wakes up" :D

A couple have touched on it, but people forget that not everyone will have loads of GMP. The demo starts with Jackie having 100000 GMP. That's obviously just for the demo. Mother Base is already built, so I can't imagine it's like that from the start. It's more likely that it's a lot smaller. And the point is, you have to build it, you need to spend your GMP on building Mother Base, so infinite Fulton is your choice. You could complete this mission without Fultoning anyone and you might not have much GMP that early in the game anyway. It may take a while to get enough GMP to build a decent Mother Base, so you might have to save on expenses on Fultoning enemies. And then there's the other stuff. A Level 2 Phantom Cigar is 50000. The Night Vision Goggles are 30000. The Box cost 10000...the Level 2 Box cost 70000! 800 - 1000 delivery costs. How much will a helipad cost? A cypher? A shooting range? A strut? One of those cool submarine like escape boats? And will these prices increase on the Hard difficulty?

What you spend your money own is your choice. You may choose to evac enemies by chopper and not waste money, just to build your Mother Base. And there is a limit to how many soldiers you can have, once you hit 350 you are going to start cherry picking enemies.

And it's still very possible there are limits to the amount of enemies you can Fulton and/or the likelihood the enemy survives. If this is being played on Normal (maybe even less for this demo) Hard could give you 50% chance of survival on a clear day. Imagine spending 1000 GMP on Hard and having a 50/50 chance of wasting that money. There are too many things we don't know. How much of this is scripted? He starts with a nicely built Mother Base and 100000 GMP. All the enemies he captures are in a convenient alphabetical order. The sheep comes to Snake in both demos and he gets to the soldier just before he falls asleep, maybe this is just because he has practiced it to perfection?

Also, I get the feeling that many think A.I. is about how fast the enemy can kill you? Which is not the place to bring up the Metal Gear series pre-GZ. Rushing the player and allowing them to live for a ridiculous amount of time is not good A.I.
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Also his cardboard box r&d is developed instantly and the guards he rescued are assigned to intel before they've even arrived at mother base, never mind being detained in the cells. There's a lot of things in that demo that won't be the same in the actual game.
Edited by Jim Houseman, Jun 23 2014, 01:56:38 AM.
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Damn, bal, that was great.
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This thread started without talk of downgrading, when in fact you could say the opposite.

A 1080p GIF comparison. It's a GIF, it's not exactly right, so here are the two separately, 2013 and 2014. Open them in different tabs a switch between them.

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The difference is clear. Although, the sandstorm gives a different colour to the 2014 version, it's clear there is much more detail in the background, with a better image quality.

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An almost complete rework.

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Almost completely untouched ground textures.
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I wanted to say that, having been in a strong sandstorm myself, it makes sense for the weather to be all "dusty" hours after the storm have gone. So the new color filter / brownish look Afghanistan has during the day makes sense.
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Yeah that filter is there for Afghanistan but is gone when they go back to Mother Base. They did the same with different filters for MGS4.
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Never noticed that, that's a pretty nice touch. Also speaking of downgrade, I barely noticed any aside from a few slightly lowered down details.
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ballisticola
Jun 23 2014, 02:35:45 AM
This thread started without talk of downgrading, when in fact you could say the opposite.

A 1080p GIF comparison. It's a GIF, it's not exactly right, so here are the two separately, 2013 and 2014. Open them in different tabs a switch between them.

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The difference is clear. Although, the sandstorm gives a different colour to the 2014 version, it's clear there is much more detail in the background, with a better image quality.

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An almost complete rework.

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Almost completely untouched ground textures.
It feels like there some kind of filter in the 2014 and it is also in a different time the shadows are longer!!
Plus the texture seems the same for me but the level of details is different. 2013 ver. seems to focus on the close details while the 2014 ver. try to balance between close and far details.
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Be honest, no one noticed the downgrade until we got that image comparison. And it wasn't that big of a deal. The game still looks beautiful.
Edited by Snake Eater, Jun 23 2014, 02:57:32 AM.
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Jun 23 2014, 02:57:16 AM
Be honest, no one noticed the downgrade until we got that image comparison. And it wasn't that big of a deal. The game still looks beautiful.
Right there with ya.
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Jun 23 2014, 02:57:16 AM
Be honest, no one noticed the downgrade until we got that image comparison. And it wasn't that big of a deal. The game still looks beautiful.
Well yea but you can't unsee it now.
If I showed you a diseased cow covered in shit and said thats what your food was made of you wouldn't be able to just not be affected by that. :P
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Yeah... bal and KoRn have pretty much convinced me now. :P Long live the balloon of destiny.
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Bal came in and completely owned the thread, GG.

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The Fulton isn’t just limited to enemies. You can send back vehicles, dumpsters and even animals. In the demo, Snake used tranquilizers on a sheep which he then sent to the base. If an object is big enough, Snake can get on top of it and use that as a means to return to Mother Base (although this will end the mission). I should add the the FRS doesn’t always work. If you’re inside of a building or if the weather is bad then you can’t send anything off.
The balloons can also be shot down by guards if they see them.

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/06/18/hands-off-preview-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain-a-new-bag-of-tricks/
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kojima is incredible! how the fuck have i not seen that?!
Ballistic seems like a Konami Damage Kontrol Drone, is okay to defend your favorite saga, even being the only dude in the planet that says there is not retcons in it, but dont play dumb, the downgrade is there.
Karma's a bitch, huh? Fucking hack
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One thing I really don't like about the fulton system, is that I really don't wanna spend a good amount of time running around sticking balloons on everything and their mother. I thought this MG was suppose to be serious and in much darker tone. wasn't that the reason for almost not adding the box? It's gonna take away from the realism (not to mention that isn't even how real fulton works) stealth gameplay.. bunch of screaming russians and huge crates being carried away and parachuted in...real stealthy. But don't worry, at least I got this cool scentless, smokeless, holographic E cigar to keep me without a trace.
Edited by ADAMska87, Jun 23 2014, 11:20:28 AM.
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Jun 23 2014, 10:53:50 AM
Ballistic seems like a Konami Damage Kontrol Drone, is okay to defend your favorite saga, even being the only dude in the planet that says there is not retcons in it, but dont play dumb, the downgrade is there.
Stop lying.

It's clearly not been downgraded. How much proof do you need? I've given you side by side comparisons. There is AT LEAST no difference.

Fucking damage control!? :D What the damage from a shoddy comparison? That picture of Ocelot isn't a good comparison. The whole scene has been shot differently and from different angles. The shot of them looking into the distance now has a higher camera showing off the scenery...because there is now something to show off.
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It's gonna take away from the realism (not to mention that isn't even how real fulton works)
I don't think using the real version is a good idea. What if the soldier is inside a compound? :D
Edited by ballisticola, Jun 23 2014, 12:05:58 PM.
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ballisticola
Jun 23 2014, 12:02:43 PM
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It's gonna take away from the realism (not to mention that isn't even how real fulton works)
wait what?you want a facking C-130 to come by and pick you up instead of a heli? XD,nah Diamond Dogs is not a Pentagon with a massive budget to begin with ya know :D
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There is something I like about it though. You could line up your soldier to smash into another ;) Knock out ten soldiers and arrange them...Ten Pin Fulton Bowling :D
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Jun 23 2014, 11:15:48 AM
One thing I really don't like about the fulton system, is that I really don't wanna spend a good amount of time running around sticking balloons on everything and their mother. I thought this MG was suppose to be serious and in much darker tone. wasn't that the reason for almost not adding the box? It's gonna take away from the realism (not to mention that isn't even how real fulton works) stealth gameplay.. bunch of screaming russians and huge crates being carried away and parachuted in...real stealthy. But don't worry, at least I got this cool scentless, smokeless, holographic E cigar to keep me without a trace.

MGS has always had goofy-ness - it's part of the charm!

TPP looks to be the darkest in tone so far sure but man, you gotta have some of that classic MGS silliness.
Edited by huh?, Jun 23 2014, 12:27:21 PM.
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