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| Big Boss & Amnesia...; I hope this doesn't make Snake into a Silent Protagonist... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 20 2014, 09:27:45 AM (3,006 Views) | |
| curtisstrum | Jun 20 2014, 10:33:17 PM Post #41 |
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Well said. I agree with your point. Waking after 9 years the world would be in a different place and coming to terms with everything would take a very long time. I'm also sorry to hear that you also had a traumatic life experience. Glad to hear things worked out for you:). Roll on mgs5. This is the reason I exist lol. |
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| avimran | Jun 20 2014, 10:39:40 PM Post #42 |
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Thanks curtisstrum, I appreciate your kind words. And yes, after seeing that 30 minute demo, TTP definitely feels like the reason I exist too.
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| Revolver_Santiago | Jun 20 2014, 11:48:53 PM Post #43 |
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This. Kiefer would be getting paid for his time, not the amount he talks. Doing constant facial capture for whole scenes and totally nailing it could take just as long as recording dialogue only. |
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| Vergil | Jun 21 2014, 01:52:59 AM Post #44 |
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Because thats not how Big Boss has ever acted before. Big Boss would talk more than this new Snake, having such a personality disconnect even before he becomes all evil feels weird and unnatural imo. Combined with the new voice I feel like this person I'm playing as is not the same guy I went through MGS3-PW with. |
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| Heisenberg | Jun 21 2014, 01:55:10 AM Post #45 |
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Him being different is a plus ![]() But in all seriousness, that's the point. Not sure why he didn't talk more in GZ. There's really no excuse for that besides Kojima's vision. But after a coma and losing everything, I can see it. I personally think he will be more vocal when he descends to evil. How else are we going to empathize with him like Kojima states? |
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| Vergil | Jun 21 2014, 01:58:03 AM Post #46 |
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Thats another thing though, if he has no traits of the Big Boss we went through and saw all those games with, I'm not going to really feel like it's such a descent into villainy cause this doesn't feel like the Big Boss of the past at all. He feels completely different from the get go. |
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| Heisenberg | Jun 21 2014, 01:59:48 AM Post #47 |
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Yeah, you make a good point. |
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| Trigsby | Jun 21 2014, 02:05:31 AM Post #48 |
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He was chosen for his voice. 1:25 |
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| Risev | Jun 21 2014, 02:05:36 AM Post #49 |
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Isn't that the point? The Big Boss we see in TPP is not the same guy we saw in MGS3 / PW. He's not the same confident badass we've seen in those games, he's broken, confused and angry. He's turning into someone else entirely. |
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| See Greene | Jun 21 2014, 02:07:52 AM Post #50 |
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think about what hes been through. i probably wouldnt talk much either. |
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| Vergil | Jun 21 2014, 02:15:09 AM Post #51 |
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Yea, but A: He already changed VA in Ground Zeroes, already making a disconnect in personality where there shouldn't be. B: By making such a disconnect at the very start it makes this feel like a different character to Big Boss, thus when he starts to do evil things, it's not as tragic or impactful as if it was the same character we saw go through MGS3-PW. C: He IS the same guy, just go through a very dark change because of what happened to him, with this VA and personality change from the get go it doesn't feel like he changed cause of the story, if feels like he is a different person all together from the start. |
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| Novitch | Jun 21 2014, 02:19:14 AM Post #52 |
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@Op Its just that talking was one of the things he frogot with amnesia. But dont worry! We got Keifer in which he will provide us with the best grunts and facial expresion that only a top lvl actor as himself can! ![]() Edited by Novitch, Jun 21 2014, 02:20:36 AM.
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| SlyIsSNaKe | Jun 21 2014, 02:22:35 AM Post #53 |
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It would have been bad ass to see David Hayter play an evil Snake. I remember thinking YOU SON OF A BITCH! when he turned on Raiden in MGS2 lol |
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| Vergil | Jun 21 2014, 02:25:16 AM Post #54 |
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It's not even just a VA thing even tho it does play a big part in it. It's just that the whole may this kiefer-Boss emotes, responds to people(or doesn't) and goes about things feels..... not like Big Boss. |
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| ballisticola | Jun 21 2014, 02:26:55 AM Post #55 |
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And just what was he supposed to be saying in GZ? And more importantly to who? He's on his own inside an enemy base - where making noise isn't exactly advised. He speaks to Chico...before knocking him out (who speaks to unconscious people!?). On that, Hayter's era would have Big Boss and Chico engaging in a cutscene where Big Boss speaks like he's having a general chat, not like he's in a prison camp risking his ass. Paz is drugged and babbling incomprehensibly (any conversation would be tedious at best). He speaks in the chopper. His actions on Mother Base speak more than any words could. Not to mention the briefing tapes which are sarcastic comedy gold. The arm. A rhetorical question. It's like Solid Snake saying to Big Boss "You've dropped your cigar there...would you like me to light it for and pop in back in your mouth?". He did it in a look. |
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| Risev | Jun 21 2014, 02:33:06 AM Post #56 |
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I agree about the GZ bit, but that's something we'll have to stomach. But other than that, we're just jumping to conclusions here and basing everything on one cutscene which may not be final yet. I mean Kiefer talks to Ishmael (who is also Kiefer) in the very first cutscene of the game. |
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| Vergil | Jun 21 2014, 02:36:01 AM Post #57 |
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1. Kaz on the codec, the being in a enemy base noise thing isn't a good argument since all the Metal Gear games have snake chatting to his support team over codec. 2. Good, thats one of the parts thats fine besides kiefer's VAing. 3. You can't say that, unless you can see into parallel universes were the game was made with David and different writing. 4. He barely speaks in the chopper, normal Big Boss was much more vocal. 5. I agree, even though again kiefers VAing continue to create a disconnect. 6. I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you are saying here. |
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| Risev | Jun 21 2014, 02:46:08 AM Post #58 |
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For number 6, it means that Ocelot's question did not require an answer from Big Boss, just like how Solid Snake looked at Big Boss at MGS4 when BB dropped the Cigar, and then Solid Snake just picked it up, lighted it up and gave it Big Boss. No question or answer were required there as all was understand by actions. Edited by Risev, Jun 21 2014, 02:46:33 AM.
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| Novitch | Jun 21 2014, 02:46:58 AM Post #59 |
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Keifer VA dint dissconect me at all. In fact I want more. At leaat Snake does not have throat cancer in this one |
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| Heisenberg | Jun 21 2014, 02:48:51 AM Post #60 |
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Holy, you said something of value ![]() Still smell though. |
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