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Skullface theory with a twist
Topic Started: Jun 22 2014, 01:08:06 AM (3,202 Views)
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I'm sure many of you are familiar with my idea that Skullface could well be Ocelot. The traits which define Ocelot are gradually being seen coming out in Skullface. Those traits being:

1. Affinity of Spaghetti western attire
2. Torture expertise
3. They are both secret agents who are deceitfull and traitorous
4. Both had dealings with Cipher
5. Both go way back with Snake and seem to have a healthy respect for him

This list goes on. When I proposed the idea the two major counter points against the idea were:

1. Ocelot would never do anything to harm Big Boss.
2. Skullface cannot be wearing a mask.

My argument at the time was that Big Boss was the one who Ocelot revered. I don't necessarily believe that Ocelot gave a damn about MSF. Ocelot will work with anyone only to betray them when they least expect it. So the the destruction of Mother Base in Ground Zeroes by Skullface does not make me give up on my idea. Especially when in the new trailer we see what could be Big Boss pal-ing around with Skullface.

The second point was always the best argument against the idea that Ocelot is Skullface. It is in fact difficult to see how Skullface could be wearing a mask. Even in Ground Zeroes Hideo seems to go out of his way to denounce the possibility that Skullface is wearing a mask. Two of the soldiers emphasize that Skullface's face is definitely not a mask. It is interesting the things Kojima call attention to with the Marines dialogues. The Marines mention that Skullface looks like a western baddie which hints at him being Ocelot then two other marines says he is definitely not wearing a mask which kinda kills the Ocelot idea......or does it.

Here is the twist. What if Skullface is not wearing a mask but is in fact Ocelot!!! What if Skullface's backstory is true and Ocelot did get burned as a child. What if he had to go though life disguising himself. It would kind of explain how Skullface could be an agent with such a unmistakeably recognizable face. Maybe he had to use disguises. The fact is a "skull face" is the perfect blank slate to create a false identity on top of. So Ocelot face would actually be the mask. Sounds crazy but just remember Ocelot was a triple agent spy who had to be resourceful to survive. With a skull face as a base the guy we know as Ocelot could actually have been disguised as other people who we never realized. One of them could well be the Medic. Many people believe the Medic is that third guy on the hospital bed(What about him) and also Ishmael.

"Who are you.....I've been watching over you for 9 years" - "9 years on ice....return as Big Boss".

Funny how Medic disappears and Ocelot appears in that hospital. XOF looking soldier eterminating everyone there excepting Big Boss and Ishmael! Is Skullface is in fact Ocelot those would be his troops right?

Kojima has said that he may change minor details to tell the story he wants to tell. Ocelot being burned as a child may be one of those details he chooses to change.
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All I can say is. Even in the world of MGS. This is far fetched.
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Edited by Venture, Jun 22 2014, 01:18:14 AM.
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Also Ocelot being burned as a child and becoming Skull Face would NOT be a minor change.
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Good effort but it's not happening.
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Yea no… Ocelot has his own character that's well developed. Skullface contradicts the entire character development of Ocelot. Ocelot is Ocelot, Skullface is Skullface. How do you explain the difference in voice between the two? This is as far fetched as the Quiet = Chico theory.

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There's some interesting similarities but implying he went through the whole of MGS3 ,1, 2 & 4 wearing a rubber face is too much for me. They could be working together but I think they're different guys.
Edited by Jim Houseman, Jun 22 2014, 01:40:27 AM.
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I liked the video analysis I posted. I dont really buy into it, but it does make it less of a "lol ocelot is skull face theory"
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I just don't see this theory as being feasible. Why are people so quick to judge "new characters" as being someone from the past? Can't there be new, fresh characters in a new, fresh game?! What a concept!!

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Jun 22 2014, 01:26:49 AM
I liked the video analysis I posted. I dont really buy into it, but it does make it less of a "lol ocelot is skull face theory"
It's definitely the best x is y theory I've seen about this game.
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I don't see it.

Kojima is a fan of Westerns so the fact more than one villain in the series isn't really a shock.
Torture is hardly a defining trait of Ocelot. Volgin and Solidus both tortured the protagonist.


As we've also narrowed, Ocelot is Russian and Skull Face is Hungarian. Ocelot being Russian isn't a minor detail either, that was his character in MGS3 and the Tanker part of MGS2. Shalashaska is also a Russian term I believe. MGS1 Raven referred to him as General Ivan.

So I think most of those are coincidences. Ocelot was more directly involved with Zero I think than Skull Face

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Jun 22 2014, 01:39:06 AM
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Jun 22 2014, 01:26:49 AM
I liked the video analysis I posted. I dont really buy into it, but it does make it less of a "lol ocelot is skull face theory"
It's definitely the best x is y theory I've seen about this game.
better than the quiet is chico theory? well thats not a theory, its fact.
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Jun 22 2014, 01:53:10 AM
Jim Houseman
Jun 22 2014, 01:39:06 AM
Eliab
Jun 22 2014, 01:26:49 AM
I liked the video analysis I posted. I dont really buy into it, but it does make it less of a "lol ocelot is skull face theory"
It's definitely the best x is y theory I've seen about this game.
better than the quiet is chico theory? well thats not a theory, its fact.
You kidding or are you actually serious lol
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Jun 22 2014, 01:55:07 AM
Eliab
Jun 22 2014, 01:53:10 AM
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Jun 22 2014, 01:39:06 AM
Eliab
Jun 22 2014, 01:26:49 AM
I liked the video analysis I posted. I dont really buy into it, but it does make it less of a "lol ocelot is skull face theory"
It's definitely the best x is y theory I've seen about this game.
better than the quiet is chico theory? well thats not a theory, its fact.
You kidding or are you actually serious lol
come on man he idolizes his hot big sister, gets sexually terrorized, says that "he wants to start over", has very similiar hair,eyes, and face as quiet, and so much more! what else do you need! No but really, I'm not saying its true. Theres just enough to make me think its not as ridiculous as it sounds.
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Jun 22 2014, 02:03:12 AM
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Jun 22 2014, 01:55:07 AM
Eliab
Jun 22 2014, 01:53:10 AM
Jim Houseman
Jun 22 2014, 01:39:06 AM
Eliab
Jun 22 2014, 01:26:49 AM
I liked the video analysis I posted. I dont really buy into it, but it does make it less of a "lol ocelot is skull face theory"
It's definitely the best x is y theory I've seen about this game.
better than the quiet is chico theory? well thats not a theory, its fact.
You kidding or are you actually serious lol
come on man he idolizes his hot big sister, gets sexually terrorized, says that "he wants to start over", has very similiar hair,eyes, and face as quiet, and so much more! what else do you need! No but really, I'm not saying its true. Theres just enough to make me think its not as ridiculous as it sounds.
It is plausible tbf and I hate to admit that. It probably (hopefully) won't be true though.
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Jun 22 2014, 01:44:11 AM
I don't see it.

Kojima is a fan of Westerns so the fact more than one villain in the series isn't really a shock.
Torture is hardly a defining trait of Ocelot. Volgin and Solidus both tortured the protagonist.


As we've also narrowed, Ocelot is Russian and Skull Face is Hungarian. Ocelot being Russian isn't a minor detail either, that was his character in MGS3 and the Tanker part of MGS2. Shalashaska is also a Russian term I believe. MGS1 Raven referred to him as General Ivan.

So I think most of those are coincidences. Ocelot was more directly involved with Zero I think than Skull Face
Ocelot was involved with the CIA from a young age, I don't think where he lived as a young child matters too much, though Hungary was basically a puppet of the Soviet Union at the time. (!!!) I think the most interesting part in that video is where Ocelot refers to his 'real identity' at the end of MGS1, what does this mean? Does he just mean another affiliation or actually another identity that we've never seen?

Edited by Jim Houseman, Jun 22 2014, 02:08:48 AM.
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Jun 22 2014, 02:07:24 AM
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Jun 22 2014, 01:44:11 AM
I don't see it.

Kojima is a fan of Westerns so the fact more than one villain in the series isn't really a shock.
Torture is hardly a defining trait of Ocelot. Volgin and Solidus both tortured the protagonist.


As we've also narrowed, Ocelot is Russian and Skull Face is Hungarian. Ocelot being Russian isn't a minor detail either, that was his character in MGS3 and the Tanker part of MGS2. Shalashaska is also a Russian term I believe. MGS1 Raven referred to him as General Ivan.

So I think most of those are coincidences. Ocelot was more directly involved with Zero I think than Skull Face
Ocelot was involved with the CIA from a young age, I don't think where he lived as a young child matters too much, though Hungary was basically a puppet of the Soviet Union at the time. (!!!) I think the most interesting part in that video is where Ocelot refers to his 'real identity' at the end of MGS1, what does this mean? Does he just mean another affiliation or actually another identity that we've never seen?

We don't know that Skullface is Hungarian. He said the only words he remembered from his from his village was "let the poor thing die". If that was the case how could he say "put the boy in the cage" in Hungarian. I do believe that Ocelot spent time in Hungary however because there are account of Volgin raising Ocelot for a period of time and we know that Volgin was a part of the Hungarian revolution on the Soviet's side.

As to the issue of torture being Ocelot thing. I wasn't saying that no one else tortured in the series. What I was saying was that that torture was one of the thing that Ocelot specialized in. He was a master of interrogation and was known and feared by the Mujahadeen for it as Shalashaska. Even in the MGS1 briefing the things they mention of him are that he is a "master of interrogation" and a "formadable gunfighter".
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