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Skullface theory with a twist
Topic Started: Jun 22 2014, 01:08:06 AM (3,203 Views)
StealthyOne
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If Skully ends up being Ocelot, then I will officially give up on Kojima's idea of story-telling. I'm so sick of fan-service. I want new characters that tie into the overall storyline. But I don't want them turning out to be characters we already know. That would be so predictable, and extremely boring.
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Quiet=Chico does not work

Then its gotta be Skullface=Ocelot

Man the MGS community.....
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Jun 22 2014, 04:42:10 AM
^ Yep, Kojima made an entirely new character based off of a codec picture
Why not? Kojima has done stuff like that before, Sigint is the DARPA Chief, Dr. Clark is Paramedic.

It's far less stupid that a lot of other theorys here, this one included.


Right you are, madafaka!
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Jun 22 2014, 03:58:03 AM
Just because they have similar traits doesn't mean their the same person. And skullface is a totally a different person if you watched most of the trailors.
In what ways would you say he is different?

BTW Here are some comparison images. It's hard to compare against an in progress sculpture but:

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If Ocelot would be Skullface and would not want anyone else know this then why in the world would he be wearing western outfit with both of these characters?

Also Ocelot wearing a mask in other mgs games is just ridiculous.
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Seriously, I can't believe we're even entertaining the idea of Skull Face being Ocelot.
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One thing I don't understand is how (and why) Ocelot wildly appears from out of nowhere
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Jun 23 2014, 01:30:29 AM
One thing I don't understand is how (and why) Ocelot wildly appears from out of nowhere
Well you don't know yet..
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Jun 23 2014, 01:32:06 AM
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Jun 23 2014, 01:30:29 AM
One thing I don't understand is how (and why) Ocelot wildly appears from out of nowhere
Well you don't know yet..
It might turn out that whole sequence is a dream! It seems weird enough.
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Didn't you post this theory months ago?
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I posted a theory with the same idea that Skullface is Ocelot with Skullface wearing a mask and you locked it. What I'm suggesting now is that Skullface isn't wearing a mask. It's his real face. However he does wear a mask over it to disguise himself as other characters.
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Ah, well that makes sense then.
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Lock it again please, cause it doesn't make sense to me…

Just kidding of course :cheers:

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Jun 22 2014, 01:08:06 AM

Kojima has said that he may change minor details to tell the story he wants to tell. Ocelot being burned as a child may be one of those details he chooses to change.
That isn't a miner change....that's changing a huge plot point.
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Jun 22 2014, 06:48:10 AM
Quiet=Chico does not work

Then its gotta be Skullface=Ocelot

Man the MGS community.....
so tired of those shitting theory
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Ocelot's backstory doesn't match Skull Face's. Skull Face talks about a normal childhood that was destroyed, and a family. Ocelot was raised by the Patriots.
Why would Ocelot want to hurt Big Boss? And if he did want to manipulate him, why would he create this entirely different persona? Why not do what he's always done and be himself?

And there's another big reason Ocelot can't be Skull Face. Kojima stated in an interview that Ocelot would be a more neutral character in TPP, compared to most other characters in the game who are motivated by revenge and turning into demons and whatnot. Skull Face is clearly motivated by revenge, and is a counterpart to BB in that regard.

I'm very interested in the similarities between Ocelot and Skull Face. I think that they may be connected thematically in some way. Maybe representing two opposing worldviews or ways of being that Big Boss is pulled between.

But the same character? It would mean changing Ocelot completely. His parents worked in an oilseed factory...? He isn't loyal to Big Boss? He's filled with a desire for revenge? His face is just a mask?
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Jun 23 2014, 11:24:23 AM
Ocelot's backstory doesn't match Skull Face's. Skull Face talks about a normal childhood that was destroyed, and a family. Ocelot was raised by the Patriots.
Why would Ocelot want to hurt Big Boss? And if he did want to manipulate him, why would he create this entirely different persona? Why not do what he's always done and be himself?

And there's another big reason Ocelot can't be Skull Face. Kojima stated in an interview that Ocelot would be a more neutral character in TPP, compared to most other characters in the game who are motivated by revenge and turning into demons and whatnot. Skull Face is clearly motivated by revenge, and is a counterpart to BB in that regard.

I'm very interested in the similarities between Ocelot and Skull Face. I think that they may be connected thematically in some way. Maybe representing two opposing worldviews or ways of being that Big Boss is pulled between.

But the same character? It would mean changing Ocelot completely. His parents worked in an oilseed factory...? He isn't loyal to Big Boss? He's filled with a desire for revenge? His face is just a mask?
Do we know that Ocelot childhood was normal? I don't think we do. We know that he was literally born on the battlefield. Snatched from his mother at birth an raised by the Patriots. There are suggestion that he was raised by Volgin for a period of time. That's hardly a normal childhood.

You said why wouldn't Ocelot create a different persona? That's what Ocelot would have had to do all his life as a triple spy. He has not been himself all along. He even fooled himself into becoming Liquid. He has allows been operating from an unpredictable angle. He has been this way in every game. You don't see that?

Yes Kojima did say Ocelot would not be motivated by revenge but did you see the new trailer where he is saying "We will lose our chance at revenge" if we don't rescue Kaz in three days.

I think sometimes we have a romanticized view of Ocelot. He is a bastard in every sense of the word. He is a sadist, a double crosser, a liar and was hinted at to maybe be a rapist( MGS1 Meryl). Sounds like anyone you know?
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Jun 23 2014, 11:59:15 AM
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Jun 23 2014, 11:24:23 AM
Ocelot's backstory doesn't match Skull Face's. Skull Face talks about a normal childhood that was destroyed, and a family. Ocelot was raised by the Patriots.
Why would Ocelot want to hurt Big Boss? And if he did want to manipulate him, why would he create this entirely different persona? Why not do what he's always done and be himself?

And there's another big reason Ocelot can't be Skull Face. Kojima stated in an interview that Ocelot would be a more neutral character in TPP, compared to most other characters in the game who are motivated by revenge and turning into demons and whatnot. Skull Face is clearly motivated by revenge, and is a counterpart to BB in that regard.

I'm very interested in the similarities between Ocelot and Skull Face. I think that they may be connected thematically in some way. Maybe representing two opposing worldviews or ways of being that Big Boss is pulled between.

But the same character? It would mean changing Ocelot completely. His parents worked in an oilseed factory...? He isn't loyal to Big Boss? He's filled with a desire for revenge? His face is just a mask?
Do we know that Ocelot childhood was normal? I don't think we do. We know that he was literally born on the battlefield. Snatched from his mother at birth an raised by the Patriots. There are suggestion that he was raised by Volgin for a period of time. That's hardly a normal childhood.

You said why wouldn't Ocelot create a different persona? That's what Ocelot would have had to do all his life as a triple spy. He has not been himself all along. He even fooled himself into becoming Liquid. He has allows been operating from an unpredictable angle. He has been this way in every game. You don't see that?

Yes Kojima did say Ocelot would not be motivated by revenge but did you see the new trailer where he is saying "We will lose our chance at revenge" if we don't rescue Kaz in three days.

I think sometimes we have a romanticized view of Ocelot. He is a bastard in every sense of the word. He is a sadist, a double crosser, a liar and was hinted at to maybe be a rapist( MGS1 Meryl). Sounds like anyone you know?
Ocelot is a Russian-American borned child,so at least he did have a homeland to remember to(the mighty Mother Russia)

Skull-face,otherwise,well..here's his quote from the tape that he tortured a prisoner

"My village had an oilseed field and a fine factory. Every day my friends and I would see our parents at work in that factory. That's all I had. All the world I knew. Then one day, aircraft came droning in from some far-off sky. The factory was bombed. Some... "spies" had told them we were making weapons. The building burned. We tried to flee outside. The crowd blocked the exit. The crowd of people. Hot. So hot. I tried to push through their legs and get ahead, but a boot in my stomach put me on the ground. The smoke of them burning filled me up. I heard my name called... but not for long. At the infirmary they carried me to, a nurse in the corner saw me and remarked, as if it happened every day: "They should let the poor thing die." Those are the only words of my mother tongue I remember. It was the language of my village. Until foreign troops invaded. Then the last identity I had left - the words I spoke - were pulled from me. My skin would never feel anything again. "

Someone said that Skull face could be from Hungary,because he said the quote "Vigyétek a ketrecébe," which is Hungarian for "Take him back to his cage." to one of his soldier

Is THAT enough for your so-called theory?Mod,please lock this thread please
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Do we know that Ocelot childhood was normal? I don't think we do. We know that he was literally born on the battlefield. Snatched from his mother at birth an raised by the Patriots. There are suggestion that he was raised by Volgin for a period of time. That's hardly a normal childhood.

I'm not saying Ocelot's childhood was normal. I'm saying it was abnormal. Skull Face's, on the other hand, was normal up until him and everything he loved was set on fire. Skull Face refers to a family that was destroyed. Ocelot never knew his parents, and was probably raised to be a weapon of the Patriots.

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You said why wouldn't Ocelot create a different persona? That's what Ocelot would have had to do all his life as a triple spy. He has not been himself all along. He even fooled himself into becoming Liquid. He has allows been operating from an unpredictable angle. He has been this way in every game. You don't see that?

All right, you're right about Liquid.

But other than that, he has generally presented himself as himself. He may have been lying completely about his motivations and back-stabbing everyone, but he was still Ocelot. He didn't wear a mask.

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Yes Kojima did say Ocelot would not be motivated by revenge but did you see the new trailer where he is saying "We will lose our chance at revenge" if we don't rescue Kaz in three days.

True, but he doesn't come off as that vengeful compared to what we've seen from Kaz and Big Boss. Especially considering what Kojima said, I doubt we'll see Ocelot smearing the cremated remains of dead comrades on his face or brooding over phantom pain from missing limbs.

Besides, this doesn't jibe with the idea of him being Skull Face either. He wants revenge against himself?


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I think sometimes we have a romanticized view of Ocelot. He is a bastard in every sense of the word. He is a sadist, a double crosser, a liar and was hinted at to maybe be a rapist( MGS1 Meryl). Sounds like anyone you know?

There are different kinds of bastards. That suits Volgin pretty well too.

Ocelot is someone who enjoys his evil for the sake of evil. Fighting is a game. Torture is the ultimate form of expression. He's flamboyant and passionate, with an endearing signature hand gesture. He fought for "the wild west all over again" and a man he loved.

Skull Face's evil is more subdued and cold. He's wounded. While Ocelot breaks people physically, Skull Face does so emotionally. He refers to a family, country, and language that he lost and how the pain of that experience still haunts him. He seeks vengeance.


Ocelot being Skull Face would be super confusing, from a character perspective.
Edited by Kitty Hamilton, Jun 23 2014, 01:27:50 PM.
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