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My interpretation of events leading to the attack of Mother Base; A new look at Huey
Topic Started: Jun 22 2014, 05:26:30 AM (2,208 Views)
Talby
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It may be that Skull Face was okay with either Big Boss dying or surviving - if he survives, he'll assume it was Cipher and go after him - if he dies, a powerful adversary has been dealt with. Either way, Skull Face wins.

The only question is, what exactly is Skull Face's beef with Big Boss? The two appear to have a history with some very bad blood between them, but it's still unclear.
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All this will be revealed in phantom pain I hope, there's theory's it's zero right ?
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I think there's a theory about Skull Face being every character at this point.
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Talby
Jun 22 2014, 01:13:58 PM
I think there's a theory about Skull Face being every character at this point.
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Jun 22 2014, 10:46:32 AM
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Jun 22 2014, 07:41:41 AM
I really like your idea of Strangelove being recruited to work on the SOP system - I can totally see that happening - but helping them carry out the attack on Mother Base? It doesn't add up.

Unless Skull Face does, in fact, work for Cipher, and this ends up being one of the major twists in The Phantom Pain, this doesn't match up with everything we've heard, because it was Skull Face who orchestrated and carried out the attack on Mother Base (most likely as a way of getting Big Boss to exact revenge against Cipher - who he predicted would lay the blame on Cipher straight away - because he knew Big Boss would be out of the way rescuing Chico, and wouldn't be killed in the attack, so the two could join forces in their desire to take down Zero), and he appears to want to destroy Cipher and get his hands on Zero as much as Big Boss and Kaz want to, come the events of The Phantom Pain.

This means Skull Face has no involvement or alignment with Cipher, especially from what we heard during his conversation with Paz in the epilogue.

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The impression I got was that XOF was one of Cipher's clandestine cells, but that Skullface wants to destroy Cipher. Since he can't fight Cipher directly, he encouraged Snake to go on a full-on war against Cipher by attacking him.

A practical example of this dynamic would be, say, intentionally screwing someone over at work in a way that implicates your superior so that your superior gets fired over it, not you.
And he do that by trying to blow him up!!
This doesn't sound rational. I think that Skullface was order to interrogate Paz to figure why she was acting weird at the end PW (she tried to sabotage ZEKE instead of hijacking it). However, he had his own agenda and he wanted to kill both BB and Zero. Used Chico & Huey to get into mother base while he used Paz to get the location of Zero so he could get him next (He said it once "First BB and then Zero, liberation is at hand").

As for Strangelove, she is either went on her on to Zero because she was obsessed with AIs or was kidnapped and forced to work on it. anyway, in both case she could be used to manipulate Heuy.

Furthermore, XOF unit tried to kill BB after the 9 years coma so why would they do that if they didn't want to kill him.

The only thing that don't make scene is Skully and BB being together!! Maybe this where he gets Heuy back from Skully?
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I do believe that we will see the development of the SOP system in this game. I remember in the E3 trailer of last year it said, "he mentioned something interesting, a weapon to surpass Metal Gear." If you watch the latest E3 trailer it shows Big Boss' men grabbing a hold of him in a "zombie-like" state of mind. Big Boss shoots them because he has no other choice, because they are under control by the patriots system (He doesn't know what's going on).

Maybe Miller talks Big Boss into using this "new system" for more battlefield efficiency, then it back fires because Miller is actually the "traitor" working for Cipher. Big Boss does not want to be the puppet so they use this "system" against him. This is probably why we see Skull Face and Big Boss together because they join forces in order to stop Cipher. They both want revenge on Cipher. Enemies become allies. Or maybe that is not the case..
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Either way, even at the end of PW, Strangelove still seemed like a sketchy character to me. I can definitely see her working on SOP just because she's obsessed with AI research. She made an AI based on an actual person. (the Boss) The next step up is SOP. Controlling people and information. She'd be all for that IMO. She would be good leverage in using Huey to their advantage. I do think that the attack on MB was XOF working alone, and not for Cipher. So that part is hard to figure out. hmm.
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There's a thread similar to this in the GZ section, but I always assumed Skull Face used Huey as a scapegoat. I just can't see Huey betraying Boss.
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Jun 22 2014, 08:16:29 PM
There's a thread similar to this in the GZ section, but I always assumed Skull Face used Huey as a scapegoat. I just can't see Huey betraying Boss.
I'd have to agree with that. It feels like Huey really wanted to impress Big Boss by making MSF the symbol of peace but when it goes wrong, he's the fall guy. Initially, he gets blamed, questioned and tortured but eventually proves his innocence.
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Jun 23 2014, 01:33:45 AM
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Jun 22 2014, 08:16:29 PM
There's a thread similar to this in the GZ section, but I always assumed Skull Face used Huey as a scapegoat. I just can't see Huey betraying Boss.
I'd have to agree with that. It feels like Huey really wanted to impress Big Boss by making MSF the symbol of peace but when it goes wrong, he's the fall guy. Initially, he gets blamed, questioned and tortured but eventually proves his innocence.
And then we are "supposed to feel bad" for torturing an innocent guy.
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Eh I don't see Huey willingly betraying Boss either but I do definitely think he's involved. I mean all evidence points to him playing a role in the attack. He is pretty weak, probably easily influenced and controlled. Whether unknowingly, or under duress, he helped the attack go down. How did he get off Mother Base, if not by XOF? Then again, how did boss, kaz , Ishmael , and quiet all survive a helicopter collision in the middle of the ocean?
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Jun 23 2014, 01:52:46 AM
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Jun 23 2014, 01:33:45 AM
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Jun 22 2014, 08:16:29 PM
There's a thread similar to this in the GZ section, but I always assumed Skull Face used Huey as a scapegoat. I just can't see Huey betraying Boss.
I'd have to agree with that. It feels like Huey really wanted to impress Big Boss by making MSF the symbol of peace but when it goes wrong, he's the fall guy. Initially, he gets blamed, questioned and tortured but eventually proves his innocence.
And then we are "supposed to feel bad" for torturing an innocent guy.
That would actually be pretty cool if done right. Torturing Huey and then realizing he was always loyal to MSF, but by that point it's already too late and Huey's had it with Big Boss' shit and is convinced he's a crazy motherfucker.
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It seems like someone kidnapped strangelove. They used her to blackmail huey into allowing the inspection and getting the attack squad into mother base. I think strangelove is the mother of otacon and she dies, leading huey to the woman who would be otacons stepmother and to otacon having the affair with his stepmother as discussed in mgs 2.
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I think that Zero might be behind it, after all.
The LET project was halted in '76, one year after BB's coma. It's been said (I think MGS4) that BB was taken in by the Patriots while in a coma, to conceive the clones. This was thought to be another retcon, since no such thing happened in '72, when Liquid and Solid were made. Kojima, however, responded by saying that we should see what happens in TPP, or something along those lines.
Snake wakes up in an English hospital (could be an English colony, but since every doctor/nurse is caucasian, I'll assume it's the UK), whereas MSF would have no reason to bring him to the UK, out of all countries. Zero, being English, might do so.
The LET project being terminated in '76, implies that the last clone was made circa '75 or that more clones were attempted to bring to life. My idea about this is that the attack on MSF was deliberately carried out by Zero, so he could apprehend Snake and make Solidus in '76, have his perfect copy and finally put an end to the project.
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TL;DR: Cipher attacks MSF with no intent to kill Snake, so they keep him away from MSF. Cipher captures Snake when he arrives, uses him to create the perfect clone, Solidus. They terminate the LET project after Solidus is "born" in '75/'76. Zero would never kill BB, so he's kept alive during his 9 year coma.
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That's not a bad theory although Paz's bomb does seem contrary to wanting Big Boss alive, even if they deliberately exploded it after she jumped. If XOF had saved Big Boss after the crash they also brought back Miller and the other survivor(s) to the hospital we see in the GDC trailer and then let them go freely. *begins ranting about miller still working with Zero*



Liquid said BB was in a coma when they created him and solid back in MGS1
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i think with the information we know about skull face, being burned to very near death in a factory could very well link to snake or maybe even the boss. its said that "spies" reported the village factory was manufacturing weapons and was therefore bombed. may be a long shot but maybe one of the spies was snake or the boss? we dont know much about big boss and the boss before mgs3......
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His first language is Hungarian, though, so the only war it could've been in is WW2 (if there are other possibilities, please tell). Could be The Boss' work then, but I doubt she'd be assigned such a trivial mission.
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Jun 22 2014, 05:26:30 AM
Don't know if this was mentioned by someone else in another topic, but here goes.

I was bored, so I decided to listen to the tapes in GZ just because. Then I noticed something.

Kaz mentions that Strangelove left MSF because ZEKE was complete, and there was no new research going on with AI. Afterwards he says that Huey said "I have more important things to worry about" when asked about her leaving. That got me thinking. What if Cipher reached out to Strangelove and asked her to join? Think about it, around this time, Cipher could have started research and development of the patriot AI system. With Strangelove being one of the top researchers in the field, she would be a prime candidate for recruitment. Maybe Cipher recruits Strangelove to help work on the SOP system. She tells Huey that she is leaving MSF, and the reasons why. A conflicted Huey (who is infatuated with Strangelove) wants to be by her side no matter what. Strangelove, knowing how Huey feels about her, convinces him to help her and Cipher lead an attack on Mother Base. Her last words to Huey in PW were something about being with a person who can walk their own path. Maybe Huey sees this as a chance to make his own choices. Instead of answering to BB, he decides to take his own path in pursuit of Strangelove's affection. Therefore leading him to commit treason against BB and MSF. It would make sense, seeing as how Huey is being interrogated in TPP trailers, and how suspicious his actions are in GZ.


Thoughts? Also, sorry for the long explanation.
Interesting and plausible theory!

I have always had my doubts about the loyalties of Strangelove. I think it is not far-stretched to say she teams up with Skullface or Cipher. But obviously here, it has to be one of them, not both. If you recall, Skull Face in GZ says that "the scientist was the way in." I always took this for Huey, but after reading your post, why can't the "scientist" be Strangelove?

Nice thread, man!
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You know, this theory is a decent one. And if it happens in game, I won't be surprised. It sounds Metal Gear-y to happen and I think it might just work. Everything we've heard from GZ and TPP Trailers up until now actually link to your theory
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