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Youtuber's angry Phantom Pain rant
Topic Started: Jun 24 2014, 12:49:48 AM (5,865 Views)
sadistic_greyfox
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What he said wasnt even that bad, and they are right, Kojima has a bullshit opinion especially after games like The last of us, the walking Dead, and Journey. why doesn't he try changing gaming if all he does is bitches about the problems anyways? He's in the position.
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LOL, there's nothing wrong with saying he heavily admires a certain dev, and showing humility. It's funny you mention those games since I saw nothing really jaw dropping or genre deconstructing about any of those. MGS1 changed gaming for me, and i'm certain Phantom Pain will.
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journey is the epitome of game changing and tlou may not be game changing, but it knew what it was doing with its characters. that said, i'm going to try and watch these idiots as much as i can. is it like overtly obnoxious like that two minutes guy or do they at least try to be funny like that zero punctuation guy?
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BTW, does anyone have a link to the video? LOL, it's not appearing on the main post.
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(i was commenting directly on the video shown and not other comments in this thread)

If you didnt see anything in those games then you just didn't get the message or experiences those games were trying to give to the player, oh well but those games Do Prove that what kojima said about gaming boling down to killing a bad guy is jsut a complete bullshit opinion. As MGS fans it's not good to have blind fate in the creator and treat him like a god, it's how they fuck up and get full of themselves, giving praise were it isn't due.
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sadistic_greyfox
Jun 25 2014, 09:56:52 PM
(i was commenting directly on the video shown and not other comments in this thread)

If you didnt see anything in those games then you just didn't get the message or experiences those games were trying to give to the player, oh well but those games Do Prove that what kojima said about gaming boling down to killing a bad guy is jsut a complete bullshit opinion. As MGS fans it's not good to have blind fate in the creator and treat him like a god, it's how they fuck up and get full of themselves, giving praise were it isn't due.
Thing is, Kojima never meant that. They're just pulling quotes from thin air. Kojima only said that gaming won't evolve if it is afraid of taking risks and facing criticism. He didn't say anything about his way being the only way, or that he's the one who's going to change gaming.
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sadistic_greyfox
Jun 25 2014, 09:56:52 PM
(i was commenting directly on the video shown and not other comments in this thread)

If you didnt see anything in those games then you just didn't get the message or experiences those games were trying to give to the player, oh well but those games Do Prove that what kojima said about gaming boling down to killing a bad guy is jsut a complete bullshit opinion. As MGS fans it's not good to have blind fate in the creator and treat him like a god, it's how they fuck up and get full of themselves, giving praise were it isn't due.
Walking Dead was really good...but I've seen much better Visual Novels from the Japanese market before. Last of Us was also great...but again, I find it overhyped. Jouney was also really good...I loved the music, and the story, but it wasn't anything to worship. Going home...I cant understand why critics loved it (The user reviews are much less flattering).

Hideo...I think people love him because of how awesome he seems. LOL, he dosen't mind taking jabs at himself, and makes ridiculous jokes at this fans expense.

I'm really loving the story approach that there taking with Big Boss's fall from grace, and all the taboo's there showing him do. Kinda reminds me of Gabriel Belmont from Lords Of Shadows.
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Jun 25 2014, 09:59:33 PM
sadistic_greyfox
Jun 25 2014, 09:56:52 PM
(i was commenting directly on the video shown and not other comments in this thread)

If you didnt see anything in those games then you just didn't get the message or experiences those games were trying to give to the player, oh well but those games Do Prove that what kojima said about gaming boling down to killing a bad guy is jsut a complete bullshit opinion. As MGS fans it's not good to have blind fate in the creator and treat him like a god, it's how they fuck up and get full of themselves, giving praise were it isn't due.
Thing is, Kojima never meant that. They're just pulling quotes from thin air. Kojima only said that gaming won't evolve if it is afraid of taking risks and facing criticism. He didn't say anything about his way being the only way, or that he's the one who's going to change gaming.
Yeah i know he didn't say he was changing it but for making such bold statements he should try his own hand at actually making these "games" that the industry is so lacking. It just seems so hypocritical to me, especially after that whole cosplay fiasco. I like the games but kojima IMO Kojima is not the end all,/alpha and Omega of game storytelling.

Gone home is ovverrated, i liked it for the subject matter but it's a poor game. it did take on a taboo subject matter and it was severly voverpriced for the time.
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TLoU may not be game changing from a technical perspective, it didn't really introduce a new narrative style like the first MGS game, but its execution was so sound which makes it one of the best games ever made, something most MGS games can't really claim. Also its depiction of gay characters is very, very progressive for media in general. I sincerely doubt Phantom Pain will be a game changer, at all. At best it'll be a fantastic game with a great story.
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Jun 25 2014, 10:18:40 PM
TLoU may not be game changing from a technical perspective, it didn't really introduce a new narrative style like the first MGS game, but its execution was so sound which makes it one of the best games ever made, something most MGS games can't really claim. Also its depiction of gay characters is very, very progressive for media in general. I sincerely doubt Phantom Pain will be a game changer, at all. At best it'll be a fantastic game with a great story.
Yeah, that sounds about right. The Last of Us delivered a great experience due to the sum of its parts, but I don't think that any of its many parts stood out on its own. As such, I really don't care to play again ever.

On the other hand, MGSV probably can't hope to deliver such an experience first-time, but it'll probably end up being the game I play the most due to it having more enjoyable gameplay. But I'm just making assumptions here.
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Jun 25 2014, 10:18:40 PM
TLoU may not be game changing from a technical perspective, it didn't really introduce a new narrative style like the first MGS game, but its execution was so sound which makes it one of the best games ever made, something most MGS games can't really claim. Also its depiction of gay characters is very, very progressive for media in general. I sincerely doubt Phantom Pain will be a game changer, at all. At best it'll be a fantastic game with a great story.
To be fair, as much as it was a sep back from orgins (Still think it's a fantastic game) Dragon Age 2's portrayal of a homosexual relationship and characters was so progressive, they got official reconition from the official LGBT board. So I think Dragon Age did that first.
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Dragon Age II didn't really have homosexuality, it was bisexuality. Every character was made a romance no matter what gender, which kind of robbed some character from them in a way, not everyone is realistically bisexual. Bill was just a normal person, it didn't have lamp lights going all ''OH SEE THAT GUY? YEAH HE'S HOMOSEXUAL MAN WE'RE CHANGING THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY!'' sort of like the deal Mass Effect 3 had going on *to be fair though, that wasn't really pretentious per se, and was a nice gesture by BioWare, it just wasn't done too well*.

Risev@ TLoU stands out in how it took a somewhat trope concept and made something just very special out of it. Everything about TLoU is exceptional, even the gameplay which had perfect sync with the setting and character.
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Jun 25 2014, 08:55:24 PM
Well, if you tonally compare GTA with MGS you're already a lost cause. :)
The word "analogy" must sound very foreign and exotic to you.
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Hello there people. I've been reading through this topic and I've noticed some, somewhat understandable negativity to the folks from 'Video Games Awesome.' But as a fan of both it and the Metal Gear Solid Series, I felt the need to come here and speak up on behalf of a show and community I have come to enjoy being a part of over the last few years.

Like you, there are times when Fraser's (that's the bald one you all dislike so much) uninformed opinions can draw the ire of fans such as myself and non-fans such as yourselves. However, just as you correctly state that Fraser and the other folks of 'VGA's opinions may be uninformed in regards to the MGS Series and particularly The Phantom Pain, you in turn must acknowledge that your opinion of them and their show is just as equally uninformed when viewing only one specific portion of their show.

A similar incident occurred a few months ago when Fraser once again drew the ire of another community. Namely the Smash Bros. Community, which led to him posting this video during which he sums up what 'Video Games Awesome' is all about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ke_ubM5kAU#t=450

Whilst the link I have posted jumps to the point where Fraser summarizes 'VGA' if you watch that video in it's entirety, you'll realise that whilst his opinions may be uninformed at first, he is willing to learn.

The point in the end that I'd like to get across is, Fraser and the rest that you see on the show, aren't necessarily how they are off the show They're just a group of friends sitting around having some fun, same as you or I.

So don't judge them too harshly for it.
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Jun 25 2014, 09:50:13 PM
LOL, there's nothing wrong with saying he heavily admires a certain dev, and showing humility. It's funny you mention those games since I saw nothing really jaw dropping or genre deconstructing about any of those. MGS1 changed gaming for me, and i'm certain Phantom Pain will.
Nah TLOU is brilliant in every single aspect.
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How the fuck are our opinions misinformed? We are only judging him from his MGSV video in which 90% of his opinions were totally BS and he admits that he knows jackshit of the series.

He MADE the video about a series that he knows NOTHING and WE the ones who DO KNOW are exposing him and his dumbass friends for doing things without prior knowledge

Its MGSV for fuck sake, its a goddamn sequel
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Jun 25 2014, 09:52:45 PM
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Jun 25 2014, 11:44:35 PM
@G0D GINRAI

How the fuck are our opinions misinformed? We are only judging him from his MGSV video in which 90% of his opinions were totally BS and he admits that he knows jackshit of the series.

He MADE the video about a series that he knows NOTHING and WE the ones who DO KNOW are exposing him and his dumbass friends for doing things without prior knowledge

Its MGSV for fuck sake, its a goddamn sequel
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Not really. He made videos about post-E3 trailers. He didn't go out of his way to make a video about Metal Gear, Metal Gear just happened to have post-E3 video material.

It's just a game and some dude on the internet. Why even bother if you disagree with him?
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True that. I specifically love his review on that Metal Gear Solid game with Solid Snake:

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Yahtzee is godlike.
True that. I specifically love his review on that Metal Gear Solid game with Solid Snake:

Whoa that was really dumb, can't believe I used to like that guy too.
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