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MGSV Plot hint to Metal Gear ?; Metal gear ground zeroes clue
Topic Started: Jun 28 2014, 11:23:32 AM (3,499 Views)
0zerocypher0
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I imagine after the credits...there is one more cut-scene showing Solid infiltrating Outer Heaven,just showing the opening sequence to Operation Intrude N313...
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Who knows...maybe those two MSX games story-lines will be DLC...I would prefer a full remake of those games but it could be a way for Kojima to pass the torch to the next generation...let them make the DLC...see how they do...
I would feel real trapped if I didn't know that I could commit suicide at any moment...
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No way Konami lets Kojima include a playable part of MG1 or MG2 in TPP, those remakes would be money makers. That being said, a little hint towards MG1 and/or MG2 could very well be somewhere in the game or post-credits.
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0zerocypher0
Jun 28 2014, 07:58:33 PM
I imagine after the credits...there is one more cut-scene showing Solid infiltrating Outer Heaven,just showing the opening sequence to Operation Intrude N313...
Yeah, I'm imagining a "Commencing Operation Intrude N313... BWAAAAH! *MGS V logo appears*"
"Who the hell are you!?"
"Hurt me, Snake! HURT ME MORE!"
"GRAY FOX!"
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If they do go with the remake route, they just got to get Donald Sutherland on board as BB.
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Jun 28 2014, 08:38:09 PM
If they do go with the remake route, they just got to get Donald Sutherland on board as BB.
Why? Wouldn't it be better to keep Kiefer as BB and then get Hayter back for SS?
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Jun 28 2014, 02:15:53 PM
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Jun 28 2014, 11:46:28 AM
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Jun 28 2014, 11:36:02 AM
I think you are wrong Judas. Because BB is wearing a scarf which he wears in Afghanistan.
That does not mean anything. Clothing attires might be adaptable in the game or he could wear it again later in the game
Maybe it doesn't but if you watch the video in slow motion you'll notice that as the truck enters the facility, the area surrounding the entrance (grass, rocks, sand, bushes etc) looks exactly like the environment we've already seen in Afghanistan.
It could be Afghanistan, but just a few things worth mentioning...

1. The timeline at the end of the Ground Zeroes said An Underground Nuclear Facility was discovered beneath the Kalahari Desert which is located in South Africa.

It was the NES version that made it seem like Outer Heaven was located in a jungle, but Kojima hates that version. Canonically Outer Heaven is in a desert in South Africa, meaning the terrain could look similar to Afghanistan and Snake could still wear his desert camo.

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2. You can change your camo in the game to what you want. If you look at the short version of the trailer Sony released Snake is in his Olive Drab uniform in the scene on Motherbase where he's with the african child soldiers. But on the extended version they purposely changed the scene so he was in his Afghanistan uniform in the same scene. Check it out yourselves.

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So sounds like you can go to Africa in the same outfit if you want.

3. "After getting in a helicopter, players can select missions via a menu. Ground Zeroes will just feature one location, Camp Omega. The Phantom Pain however, will include a variety of locations all over the world, such as Afghanistan and various African countries. There won’t be any metropolitan areas though, instead expect locations such as deserts and jungles with remote enemy bases."

If you look at this quote you can see Kojima suggests we will be going to more than one location in Africa, and there will be other desert locations not just Afghanistan.

http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=9895

Not saying it's definitely in Outer Heaven, just putting that out there. I think we're definitely gonna have more missions in Afghanistan and if Miller was supposedly following a lead that will help them with their "revenge" then there's a chance Skull Face and XOF's headquarters are in Afghanistan somewhere. You can't really rule out anything at this stage, like most assumed Motherbase 2.0 was going to be Outer Heaven and it ended up just being another offshore facility.

I do think it's interesting though how the Outer Heaven logo comes up just before we see the scene of Skull Face showing Big Boss the base. I think thematically there's been a lot of stuff that makes Skull Face for some reason or another seem like Big Boss's reflection in MG1, so it would also make sense if his headquarters was the facility that Big Boss would eventually take over and transform into the Outer Heaven Fortress.

As for area surrodinging the entrance being the shame, I haven't actually compared the location from the gameplay demo and that last scene thoroughly myself... I do think the terrain looks similar to the bit in the trailer with the tanks and the choppers? But assuming there are other desert locations in the game, couldn't say for sure if that is Afghanistan either. So yeah I'll probably have to check that to be sure, I don't doubt what you're saying that it's rhe same assets.

It's also worth mentioning that depending on the progress of the game some assets in these trailers might still be placeholders, like when the scene of Raiden in the Middle East was changed to South America in 4. It's unlikely, but just another thing I thought i'd bring up.
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Good post, and I'd forgotten about the terrain seen in the Zeke-Rex area, it could well be Afghanistan. And there's not much to go on, but I think the African area in the trailers looks as much as a desert as the Afghan one, if there are multiple deserts they could still look very different to each other. The old fox engine trees they showed off possibly belong to a separate jungle themed map.
Edited by Jim Houseman, Jun 28 2014, 10:14:17 PM.
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Jun 28 2014, 09:50:59 PM
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Jun 28 2014, 02:15:53 PM
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Jun 28 2014, 11:46:28 AM
big_boss1988
Jun 28 2014, 11:36:02 AM
I think you are wrong Judas. Because BB is wearing a scarf which he wears in Afghanistan.
That does not mean anything. Clothing attires might be adaptable in the game or he could wear it again later in the game
Maybe it doesn't but if you watch the video in slow motion you'll notice that as the truck enters the facility, the area surrounding the entrance (grass, rocks, sand, bushes etc) looks exactly like the environment we've already seen in Afghanistan.
It could be Afghanistan, but just a few things worth mentioning...

1. The timeline at the end of the Ground Zeroes said An Underground Nuclear Facility was discovered beneath the Kalahari Desert which is located in South Africa.

It was the NES version that made it seem like Outer Heaven was located in a jungle, but Kojima hates that version. Canonically Outer Heaven is in a desert in South Africa, meaning the terrain could look similar to Afghanistan and Snake could still wear his desert camo.

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2. You can change your camo in the game to what you want. If you look at the short version of the trailer Sony released Snake is in his Olive Drab uniform in the scene on Motherbase where he's with the african child soldiers. But on the extended version they purposely changed the scene so he was in his Afghanistan uniform in the same scene. Check it out yourselves.

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So sounds like you can go to Africa in the same outfit if you want.

3. "After getting in a helicopter, players can select missions via a menu. Ground Zeroes will just feature one location, Camp Omega. The Phantom Pain however, will include a variety of locations all over the world, such as Afghanistan and various African countries. There won’t be any metropolitan areas though, instead expect locations such as deserts and jungles with remote enemy bases."

If you look at this quote you can see Kojima suggests we will be going to more than one location in Africa, and there will be other desert locations not just Afghanistan.

http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=9895

Not saying it's definitely in Outer Heaven, just putting that out there. I think we're definitely gonna have more missions in Afghanistan and if Miller was supposedly following a lead that will help them with their "revenge" then there's a chance Skull Face and XOF's headquarters are in Afghanistan somewhere. You can't really rule out anything at this stage, like most assumed Motherbase 2.0 was going to be Outer Heaven and it ended up just being another offshore facility.

I do think it's interesting though how the Outer Heaven logo comes up just before we see the scene of Skull Face showing Big Boss the base. I think thematically there's been a lot of stuff that makes Skull Face for some reason or another seem like Big Boss's reflection in MG1, so it would also make sense if his headquarters was the facility that Big Boss would eventually take over and transform into the Outer Heaven Fortress.

As for area surrodinging the entrance being the shame, I haven't actually compared the location from the gameplay demo and that last scene thoroughly myself... I do think the terrain looks similar to the bit in the trailer with the tanks and the choppers? But assuming there are other desert locations in the game, couldn't say for sure if that is Afghanistan either. So yeah I'll probably have to check that to be sure, I don't doubt what you're saying that it's rhe same assets.

It's also worth mentioning that depending on the progress of the game some assets in these trailers might still be placeholders, like when the scene of Raiden in the Middle East was changed to South America in 4. It's unlikely, but just another thing I thought i'd bring up.
Wow. Never noticed Snake was wearing a different uniform in those two versions. I also see a change in lighting between the two pictures, which makes me think that although the 2013 version of Afghanistan looked to have had better lighting than the 2014 one, Iv`e realise its just a matter of the day and night cycle.
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a metal gear 1 remake would also make sense for a game design as when i have been looking at the story of metal 1 and metal gear 2, metal gear 2 has a gameplay design which influenced the original metal gear solid in a lot of ways. final mission where solid is introduced would be immense
Edited by Liquid94, Jun 28 2014, 11:14:34 PM.
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Either playing as Solid Snake and the final boss is Big Boss. Or you`ll play as Big Boss and you fight Solid Snake, already knowing your fate.
Edited by Old Liquid, Jun 28 2014, 11:35:25 PM.
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Jun 28 2014, 09:40:25 PM
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Jun 28 2014, 08:38:09 PM
If they do go with the remake route, they just got to get Donald Sutherland on board as BB.
Why? Wouldn't it be better to keep Kiefer as BB and then get Hayter back for SS?
I think the father-son dynamic between these two actors, like the one between Akio and his father Chikao, is too tempting to pass up. Some issues are bound to pop up of course, like the fact that Donald is 20 years older than BB would be in 1995, but I'd be willing to suspend my disbelief to see such a scenario unfold.
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Jun 28 2014, 11:07:16 PM
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Jun 28 2014, 09:50:59 PM
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Jun 28 2014, 02:15:53 PM
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Jun 28 2014, 11:46:28 AM
big_boss1988
Jun 28 2014, 11:36:02 AM
I think you are wrong Judas. Because BB is wearing a scarf which he wears in Afghanistan.
That does not mean anything. Clothing attires might be adaptable in the game or he could wear it again later in the game
Maybe it doesn't but if you watch the video in slow motion you'll notice that as the truck enters the facility, the area surrounding the entrance (grass, rocks, sand, bushes etc) looks exactly like the environment we've already seen in Afghanistan.
It could be Afghanistan, but just a few things worth mentioning...

1. The timeline at the end of the Ground Zeroes said An Underground Nuclear Facility was discovered beneath the Kalahari Desert which is located in South Africa.

It was the NES version that made it seem like Outer Heaven was located in a jungle, but Kojima hates that version. Canonically Outer Heaven is in a desert in South Africa, meaning the terrain could look similar to Afghanistan and Snake could still wear his desert camo.

Posted Image

2. You can change your camo in the game to what you want. If you look at the short version of the trailer Sony released Snake is in his Olive Drab uniform in the scene on Motherbase where he's with the african child soldiers. But on the extended version they purposely changed the scene so he was in his Afghanistan uniform in the same scene. Check it out yourselves.

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So sounds like you can go to Africa in the same outfit if you want.

3. "After getting in a helicopter, players can select missions via a menu. Ground Zeroes will just feature one location, Camp Omega. The Phantom Pain however, will include a variety of locations all over the world, such as Afghanistan and various African countries. There won’t be any metropolitan areas though, instead expect locations such as deserts and jungles with remote enemy bases."

If you look at this quote you can see Kojima suggests we will be going to more than one location in Africa, and there will be other desert locations not just Afghanistan.

http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=9895

Not saying it's definitely in Outer Heaven, just putting that out there. I think we're definitely gonna have more missions in Afghanistan and if Miller was supposedly following a lead that will help them with their "revenge" then there's a chance Skull Face and XOF's headquarters are in Afghanistan somewhere. You can't really rule out anything at this stage, like most assumed Motherbase 2.0 was going to be Outer Heaven and it ended up just being another offshore facility.

I do think it's interesting though how the Outer Heaven logo comes up just before we see the scene of Skull Face showing Big Boss the base. I think thematically there's been a lot of stuff that makes Skull Face for some reason or another seem like Big Boss's reflection in MG1, so it would also make sense if his headquarters was the facility that Big Boss would eventually take over and transform into the Outer Heaven Fortress.

As for area surrodinging the entrance being the shame, I haven't actually compared the location from the gameplay demo and that last scene thoroughly myself... I do think the terrain looks similar to the bit in the trailer with the tanks and the choppers? But assuming there are other desert locations in the game, couldn't say for sure if that is Afghanistan either. So yeah I'll probably have to check that to be sure, I don't doubt what you're saying that it's rhe same assets.

It's also worth mentioning that depending on the progress of the game some assets in these trailers might still be placeholders, like when the scene of Raiden in the Middle East was changed to South America in 4. It's unlikely, but just another thing I thought i'd bring up.
Wow. Never noticed Snake was wearing a different uniform in those two versions. I also see a change in lighting between the two pictures, which makes me think that although the 2013 version of Afghanistan looked to have had better lighting than the 2014 one, Iv`e realise its just a matter of the day and night cycle.
Great post and I stand corrected, it could easily be another desert location as much as it could be Afghanistan. I never noticed they changed Snake's uniform in the trailer, good spot. And I hope that Kojima quote turns out to be true - multiple locations.
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Great post Nev!

Uh guise, you know that there's the Sahara Desert right, and that its location is in Africa? Africa has a lot of sandy terrain, so just because Big Boss has a scarf/desert attire doesn't mean that he's not in Africa. The scene with Big Boss and Skullface in front of the the facility housing the Metal Gear really screams "Outer Heaven" to me, also the display of the Outer Heaven badge/logo is very telling. Producers/writers/artists don't include blatant symbolism in their works of art without a definite meaning. The Outer Heaven logo/badge/symbol isn't even subtle…

Perhaps we play as Big Boss up until the events of MG1, perhaps we even play through MG1 in TPP from Big Boss' perspective. There's no doubt that we'll see the creation of Outer Heaven in this instalment.
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Great post Nev!

Uh guise, you know that there's the Sahara Desert right, and that its location is in Africa? Africa has a lot of sandy terrain, so just because Big Boss has a scarf/desert attire doesn't mean that he's not in Africa.
Yep, but Outer Heaven would be in the Kalahari desert, there's a place called Vastrap where South Africa built nuclear test shafts in the 70's, it could be loosely based on that area.
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Jun 29 2014, 12:06:44 AM
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Jun 28 2014, 08:38:09 PM
If they do go with the remake route, they just got to get Donald Sutherland on board as BB.
Why? Wouldn't it be better to keep Kiefer as BB and then get Hayter back for SS?
I think the father-son dynamic between these two actors, like the one between Akio and his father Chikao, is too tempting to pass up. Some issues are bound to pop up of course, like the fact that Donald is 20 years older than BB would be in 1995, but I'd be willing to suspend my disbelief to see such a scenario unfold.
Still doesn't make sense to me. Kiefer is BB not SS.
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Jun 28 2014, 11:36:02 AM
I think you are wrong Judas. Because BB is wearing a scarf which he wears in Afghanistan.
That does not mean anything. Clothing attires might be adaptable in the game or he could wear it again later in the game
Maybe it doesn't but if you watch the video in slow motion you'll notice that as the truck enters the facility, the area surrounding the entrance (grass, rocks, sand, bushes etc) looks exactly like the environment we've already seen in Afghanistan.
It could be Afghanistan, but just a few things worth mentioning...

1. The timeline at the end of the Ground Zeroes said An Underground Nuclear Facility was discovered beneath the Kalahari Desert which is located in South Africa.

It was the NES version that made it seem like Outer Heaven was located in a jungle, but Kojima hates that version. Canonically Outer Heaven is in a desert in South Africa, meaning the terrain could look similar to Afghanistan and Snake could still wear his desert camo.

Posted Image

2. You can change your camo in the game to what you want. If you look at the short version of the trailer Sony released Snake is in his Olive Drab uniform in the scene on Motherbase where he's with the african child soldiers. But on the extended version they purposely changed the scene so he was in his Afghanistan uniform in the same scene. Check it out yourselves.

Posted Image

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So sounds like you can go to Africa in the same outfit if you want.

3. "After getting in a helicopter, players can select missions via a menu. Ground Zeroes will just feature one location, Camp Omega. The Phantom Pain however, will include a variety of locations all over the world, such as Afghanistan and various African countries. There won’t be any metropolitan areas though, instead expect locations such as deserts and jungles with remote enemy bases."

If you look at this quote you can see Kojima suggests we will be going to more than one location in Africa, and there will be other desert locations not just Afghanistan.

http://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=9895

Not saying it's definitely in Outer Heaven, just putting that out there. I think we're definitely gonna have more missions in Afghanistan and if Miller was supposedly following a lead that will help them with their "revenge" then there's a chance Skull Face and XOF's headquarters are in Afghanistan somewhere. You can't really rule out anything at this stage, like most assumed Motherbase 2.0 was going to be Outer Heaven and it ended up just being another offshore facility.

I do think it's interesting though how the Outer Heaven logo comes up just before we see the scene of Skull Face showing Big Boss the base. I think thematically there's been a lot of stuff that makes Skull Face for some reason or another seem like Big Boss's reflection in MG1, so it would also make sense if his headquarters was the facility that Big Boss would eventually take over and transform into the Outer Heaven Fortress.

As for area surrodinging the entrance being the shame, I haven't actually compared the location from the gameplay demo and that last scene thoroughly myself... I do think the terrain looks similar to the bit in the trailer with the tanks and the choppers? But assuming there are other desert locations in the game, couldn't say for sure if that is Afghanistan either. So yeah I'll probably have to check that to be sure, I don't doubt what you're saying that it's rhe same assets.

It's also worth mentioning that depending on the progress of the game some assets in these trailers might still be placeholders, like when the scene of Raiden in the Middle East was changed to South America in 4. It's unlikely, but just another thing I thought i'd bring up.
Actually, the MSX version had the desert in...Can't recall from playing the NES version, but MSX had that too
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Actually, the MSX version had the desert in...Can't recall from playing the NES version, but MSX had that too
That's what Nev was saying, the screenshot is the MSX game.
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I think that IF that metal gear was supposed to be the one from MG1, it'd at least look similar.
The abandoned nuclear facility in South Africa definitely hints at a proper Outer Heaven build-up, in contrast to PW. Especially with the Outer Heaven logo being behind the "Venom awakens" text in the trailer, I'm pretty confident that Outer Heaven will be up and running by the end of TPP. I'm really excited for TPP now!
At this point, bringing forward Op. N313 is a bit of wishful thinking, though
Edited by The Joy, Jun 29 2014, 11:42:27 PM.
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I highly doubt that Metal Gear is TX-55 or a new Metal Gear, it looks like a pimped out ZEKE,
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