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Do you have any concerns about the game?; Worries or doubts about MGSV.
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I'm concerned The Phantom Pain will come out and everyone here will talk about how much better Witcher 3 is because graphics and boobies.
Could be that TW3 is actually better. Who would'v thunk?
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TPP has pretty big shoes to fill. And considering that we can actually play TW3 and not MGS V, and since Kojima has a shit track record at the end of the day, TW3 will probably end up being the better game by my estimation.
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I'm concerned The Phantom Pain will come out and everyone here will talk about how much better Witcher 3 is because graphics and boobies.
Could be that TW3 is actually better. Who would'v thunk?
Yeah, no.
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Come on, dawg. Aragorn was trolling. The two-word response was warranted.

I love ya Aragorn, but could it be any more obvious that the only reason you come into this forum is to shit on TPP and continuously remind everyone of how, no matter what, TW3 is always going to be the better game in your opinion?

You're not adding anything to the topic. You're just trolling. Fuck off, would ya? And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

You're becoming the new Bladewolf :(
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That's another thing, I hope the game isn't super, ultra realistic. I want antagonists and bosses with super human abilities. If the bosses are just a bunch of tanks and planes like in Peace Walker, I will be unbelievably disappointed. Those were the most long and boring boss fights Ive ever played in a game period.


Seems like it might go too far in the opposite direction if anything, judging by all the crazy shit going on in Cyprus, Quiet's fantastic abilities, and what we hear about the Skull Squad guys (whatever they are called). Psycho Mantis will obviously be a trippy boss fight too.

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TPP has pretty big shoes to fill. And considering that we can actually play TW3 and not MGS V, and since Kojima has a shit track record at the end of the day, TW3 will probably end up being the better game by my estimation.
This is so vaguely negative, you might as well say "you know what, I just happen to know that I will like Witcher 3 more than MGSV on subjective grounds". Nothing wrong with that. I could say the same for Witcher 3, just because its an RPG and RPGs don't get me off as much.

For instance it does not seem that "TPP has pretty big shoes to fill" means anything at all. Witcher 3 had big shoes to fill, Arkham Knight has big shoes to fill. So what?

"Kojima has a shit track record" also seems like meaningless rhetoric. You mean the guy that is a legend in the gaming industry? Doesn't matter if its overstated, it also isn't completely undeserved. The guy who, by all reports, is addressing all of the major criticisms that previous games received on top of completely changing up the formula of the series?

"Considering that we can actually play TW3" You mean you suspect MGSV will be cancelled?
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And considering that we can actually play TW3 and not MGS V, and since Kojima has a shit track record at the end of the day, TW3 will probably end up being the better game by my estimation.

What does this even mean? You can play TW3 because the game has been released but you can't play MGSV because it hasn't been released yet. How does that have anything to do with which game will be better? Am I misinterpreting something here?
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The Witcher 3 is a pretty good game I must say. The amount of work is phenomenal, I really loved it.

But once I finished it... I felt there was nothing more to it. The gameplay is not very good and there's not much replay value once you've completed everything. The story is a bit of a letdown and too predictable. The musics aren't memorable. The facial animations aren't very good. The directing of the cutscenes is bland.

The problem I have with Witcher 3 is that it's too massive and they didn't really work on the directing. Same shots are used during most cutscenes, animations are always the same... that was a huge disappointment to me. I know the game is massive and it would have taken forever to make the animation for ever character properly but still...
And yeah, the gameplay is really, really poor. The combat system sucks, the open-world is filled with bugs, my PS4 crashed several times during my playthrough, 3 or 4 times I got stucked in the mountains for no reason (in a huge big, I could see beneath the map).

But I will say it was globally a great game, thanks to the many dialogues, long story, and all the things you can do in there, the interior environments, the beautiful graphics... but really, this game has absolutely no chance to better Phantom Pain. No chance.

The directing of the cutscenes in TPP, just from the few we have seen, annihilate Witcher 3's.
The music, we've heard a few... totally beats Witcher 3's.
TPP's gameplay... need I say more?

And the approach of the open-world, replay-value, story, characters, well almost everything looks much more interesting and sexy than the 90 hours I've spent on the Witcher 3. It's much more intelligent, well-thought and exciting. Witcher 3 is a very nice game graphic-wise, it had potential, but man the gameplay just sucks too much. This is a major thing I have with a game: if the gameplay sucks, the game missed a great opportunity.

In the end, Witcher 3 could have been soooo much better, had they had GTA V's budget, and a more creative mind like Kojima behind it. It's still the best game that has come out since GTA V, but The Phantom Pain will definitely be the game changer and GOTY 2015, without a problem.
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I'm concerned The Phantom Pain will come out and everyone here will talk about how much better Witcher 3 is because graphics and boobies.
Could be that TW3 is actually better. Who would'v thunk?
Yeah, no.
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Come on, dawg. Aragorn was trolling. The two-word response was warranted.

I love ya Aragorn, but could it be any more obvious that the only reason you come into this forum is to shit on TPP and continuously remind everyone of how, no matter what, TW3 is always going to be the better game in your opinion?

You're not adding anything to the topic. You're just trolling. Fuck off, would ya? And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

You're becoming the new Bladewolf :(
not necessarily.

the post above his said the witcher was getting praise for graphics and nudity and he said it could just genuinely end up being the better of the two games.

obviously, i disagree for a lot of reasons, but as the person who delivered the killing blow to bladewolf, i can safely say that he's no bladewolf. fact is, some are very excite for mgsv, and some are very cautious / negative...and then there's bladewolf and boxman.

now me? i don't think mgsv has big shoes to fill at all because with everything we've seen, and the taste we got with gz, there's no doubt in my mind that it will surpass any mgs game to date, and likely any game i play this year. but nothing is certain.
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I was hyped for MGS3. I was severely disappointed.

I was hyped for MGS4. I was severely disappointed.

I was excited for PW. I was severely disappointed.

I have more reasons to be pessimistic than optimistic. No matter how good MGS3 looked, it still was bad. I'd prefer not to be stung again.

Regardless the reply was half serious half non serious to Barlog's dismissive ''yeah, no''. Half serious with it having big shoes to fill if it's to be this year's game, and non serious in the way I put it together.
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My point is, you've stated your opinion numerous times already. Why do you feel the need to continue to shit on TPP over and over like we all don't already know that you're expecting it to be shit and you're not hyped for it?

I posted in the TW3 thread that I didn't think the game deserved all the hype, but I said that in literally one post. I didn't return to the topic over and over to remind everyone of how I think the game is shit, overrated, and I think TPP will be better. I stated my opinion and I moved along. You continue to just complain about this game and Kojima like it's your duty to let alone know you're not a fan.

At what point does it go from simply stating your opinion to just trolling to try and get a rise out of others?

You're not expecting much from MGSV. We get it.
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Yeah...I really dony think anyone can be a Bladewolf (except maybr boxman)

Going into techincal issues. As amazing as W3 is, its optomised as shit. Sub FPS on Ps4 as well as downgraded visuals on PC leaves a sour taste in my mouth. GZ and PP on the other hand...runs on 60, near photorealstic lighting, and does awesome on PC's. Even on my old Gtx 650 ti. That and the gameplay leave me very excited
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MGS3 was one of the weakest entries of the series but it wasn't bad, come on. The story sucked (except the ending), but the gameplay was fantastic. I agree that Kojima disappointed with his last 3 games, the best MGS to date is obviously MGS2, but at least he tried something with 3, 4 and PW. TPP seems to take the best of those games and I have no reason to doubt Kojima on that one. Except maybe how the story unfolds, it could be disappointing depending of what happens. We'll see.
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The Witcher 3 is a pretty good game I must say. The amount of work is phenomenal, I really loved it.

But once I finished it... I felt there was nothing more to it. The gameplay is not very good and there's not much replay value once you've completed everything. The story is a bit of a letdown and too predictable. The musics aren't memorable. The facial animations aren't very good. The directing of the cutscenes is bland.

The problem I have with Witcher 3 is that it's too massive and they didn't really work on the directing. Same shots are used during most cutscenes, animations are always the same... that was a huge disappointment to me. I know the game is massive and it would have taken forever to make the animation for ever character properly but still...
And yeah, the gameplay is really, really poor. The combat system sucks, the open-world is filled with bugs, my PS4 crashed several times during my playthrough, 3 or 4 times I got stucked in the mountains for no reason (in a huge big, I could see beneath the map).

But I will say it was globally a great game, thanks to the many dialogues, long story, and all the things you can do in there, the interior environments, the beautiful graphics... but really, this game has absolutely no chance to better Phantom Pain. No chance.

The directing of the cutscenes in TPP, just from the few we have seen, annihilate Witcher 3's.
The music, we've heard a few... totally beats Witcher 3's.
TPP's gameplay... need I say more?

And the approach of the open-world, replay-value, story, characters, well almost everything looks much more interesting and sexy than the 90 hours I've spent on the Witcher 3. It's much more intelligent, well-thought and exciting. Witcher 3 is a very nice game graphic-wise, it had potential, but man the gameplay just sucks too much. This is a major thing I have with a game: if the gameplay sucks, the game missed a great opportunity.

In the end, Witcher 3 could have been soooo much better, had they had GTA V's budget, and a more creative mind like Kojima behind it. It's still the best game that has come out since GTA V, but The Phantom Pain will definitely be the game changer and GOTY 2015, without a problem.
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Just, what. In a game based on the concept of meaningful choice, and there is alot of it in that game, there is no replay value? saying the story is a let down without elaborating is a poor argument, and the music is one of the best things about the game. So many cool instrumental and vocal pieces that fit whatever you are doing in the game, ambient, combat or drama.

This is a thing with every single RPG in existence. MGS V is not an RPG and if GZ's side content is anything to go by, there won't be alot of narrative side missions, unlike The Witcher 3 where there is dialogue, choice making, cutscenes, etc attached to almost every single side mission there is. Its simply sheer impossibility to uniquely direct every single shot for every single mission. The fact that the game has so much narrative interwoven into story and side missions, with intersecting aspects is a feat to behold for the genre.

You don't elaborate on why the combat is poor, either. Its not perfect, but its fun, impactful and quite tactical and intricate. It sort of combines some of the better aspects of Arkham combat and Dark Souls.

Kojima hasn't made anything good or written anything good since MGS2, so no its not ''lacking creative minds''. The fact that you're juduging story, characters and god knows what else without touching the game seems a bit out of left field. It makes no sense.

And yes some might say I did this, but I didn't judge, merely passed of an estimation of my expectations.

EDIT: I just realized how off topic this shit is. PM me, however it is I quoted if you want to continue.

EDIT2: So tempted to reply to Barlog, damn it. :'>

EDIT3: Why is everyone forgetting that I did not bring up Witcher 3 in the first place, and it was only a reply to someone who said graphics and sex are the only reason someone would say it was better?
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okay, kiddies.

we're veering off topic a little bit with all this mgs3 and witcher talk. keep it on mgsv concerns from here on out or pm each other if you all wish to continue.

any continuation of the off topic banter and warnings will be flying off the shelves like anchovies in a pre-revolution iranian whore house.
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I'll agree on one thing with you Max: Kojima's games have been utterly disappointing story-wise since MGS2. Partly because Tomokazu Fukushima didn't work on the scripts after 2. Shuyo Murata's way of writing is garbage and sadly he is half in charge of the story since MGS3.

Believe me, if The Phantom Pain story is as straightforward, dull and boring as MGS3 or nonsense like MGS4, I will hate it.
But somehow I really have the feeling this game's story will be onpar with MGS2's. Could be wrong but judging from everything we've seen so far, the mysterious trailers, I have a pretty good feeling about it.

Edit: sorry didn't see previous posts. Will put what I wrote on TW3 as spoilers and won't comment further.

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I'm going to miss cutscenes in TPP :/
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Here's something I just thought of, how hard is it going to be to do a stealth only run? It may not be hard at first but think about how long this game is going to be. And then think about how hard it will be to get the best rank, thats usually 1 or 2 screw ups and its gone. If the prerequisites are like they usually are, a Big Boss rank might be near impossible.
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Here's something I just thought of, how hard is it going to be to do a stealth only run? It may not be hard at first but think about how long this game is going to be. And then think about how hard it will be to get the best rank, thats usually 1 or 2 screw ups and its gone. If the prerequisites are like they usually are, a Big Boss rank might be near impossible.
Do we even know if that ranking system is still intact?
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Here's something I just thought of, how hard is it going to be to do a stealth only run? It may not be hard at first but think about how long this game is going to be. And then think about how hard it will be to get the best rank, thats usually 1 or 2 screw ups and its gone. If the prerequisites are like they usually are, a Big Boss rank might be near impossible.
Do we even know if that ranking system is still intact?
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I was hyped for MGS3. I was severely disappointed.

I was hyped for MGS4. I was severely disappointed.

I was excited for PW. I was severely disappointed.

I have more reasons to be pessimistic than optimistic. No matter how good MGS3 looked, it still was bad. I'd prefer not to be stung again.

Regardless the reply was half serious half non serious to Barlog's dismissive ''yeah, no''. Half serious with it having big shoes to fill if it's to be this year's game, and non serious in the way I put it together.


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To get back on topic:

I did recently read some things Kojima said, I think it was in a Japanese interview, that Big Boss would be pretty quiet and his emotions would be conveyed through other characters. Yes we had already heard this, but hearing it again restated more bluntly made me more skeptical of his thinking.

I understand his reasoning behind doing this actually, but I still think it sounds a bit fucked.

His artistic reasoning seems to be this: having Big Boss be vocally or emotionally subdued is a means of illustrating how the emotions of the group/collective/society or "race" can act to "sweep people up" in the emotions that fuel war and perpetual conflict. He wants Big Boss to be a leaf getting swept up in the tornado of collective emotion that is screaming for revenge and conflict, all the howling for revenge surrounding him does not give him the mental space to be able to stand back and reflect and look at things more cooly and reasonably (if Big Boss had any capability of doing this in the first place). Maybe that isn't so great an explanation, I'm sure I could explain it better if I tried but I don't feel like it at the moment.

Anyways I can't help but think this decision is misguided, even though I'm first and foremost a geek for heavily theme oriented stories.

In one interview he explained that while Big Boss was very subdued and quiet in his reaction to the slaughter of MSF in Ground Zeroes, that he *really was much more angry than Kaz. How does this make sense, that you can portray emotion by not portraying emotion? Is this a Japanese thing? I get that he was speechless. But I don't think being speechless and devastated, is the same thing as being angry. He was devastated and looked it, but he certainly didn't look angry. I don't think it was a good decision to have Big Boss be that subdued in the Ground Zeroes ending cutscene. And since Kojima has repeatedly said that Big Boss is going to be fairly quiet and that his emotions will be portrayed through other characters, I'm thinking he will take this idea too far or it really is just not the best way to do what he is trying to do.

It also seems possible Kojima is just bestowing one of his own traits onto Big Boss, meaning that perhaps Kojima himself is this repressed and emotionally subdued. It also seems like he really is over-inclined to have the player character, in every singe one of his games, be a hapless pawn and cog in some machine. I can get that for other protagonists in other MGS games, but it seems a bit strange that this epic rebellious leader Big Boss would be so introverted and emotionally repressed during this point in his life. I didn't read much of Moby Dick, but from what I've heard Captain Ahab wasn't exactly subdued or repressed.

It could be possible that he is just really shitty at explaining his thinking behind this(as he usually is shitty at explaining things in English). But at the moment its feeling more likely my concern here will prove justified, that the characterization of Big Boss will be disappointing in this regard.

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Here's something I just thought of, how hard is it going to be to do a stealth only run? It may not be hard at first but think about how long this game is going to be. And then think about how hard it will be to get the best rank, thats usually 1 or 2 screw ups and its gone. If the prerequisites are like they usually are, a Big Boss rank might be near impossible.


Whatsup robfozz, welcome to the forums btw.

I think people will be playing the game enough, to where they will get good enough to still Big Boss rank it. It just might take longer to get to that level. The definition or qualification for getting the Big Boss rank will probably change though.
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