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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,538 Views)
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The question is, how come 9 years after the accident Paz still has the exact same blood spills in her stomach?
Only answer that I have for that is that this part takes place in 1975
Edited by MSFSOLDIER, Jun 15 2015, 10:02:20 PM.
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Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 09:47:57 PM
But Paz blew up though. I saw it myself.

Its said that Big Boss has her bone splinters lodged within him. He is dreaming or hallucinating or something.

That scene with "Paz" is probably there to rub salt in the wounds of Ground Zeroes, for those of us who played it.
I know, that's is the strangest part, that the player witnessed Paz blow up. Yet, this does not look like an hallucination because it is both Ocelot and BB who examine the scars.

Similar to SF, he cannot be hallucination because we see him pushing Huey over in the second trailer.

Unless Kojima is playing major tricks on the player in regards to both SF and Paz's entity?
We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.
Edited by abstract-one, Jun 15 2015, 10:06:05 PM.
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TPP take place in 1984 and 1975.

Venom Snake involved to what happen to Paz in 1975. Venom Snake from XOF, Big Boss from FOX.

VS and SF in one team.

Its simple! ^)^
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Jun 15 2015, 10:01:33 PM
The question is, how come 9 years after the accident Paz still has the exact same blood spills in her stomach?
Only answer that I have for that is that this part takes place in 1975
Yeah it could be a flashback of when Big Boss put the bomb inside her
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Just as a trivia, the 1st E3 song's name is Elegy in italian, elegy being a mournful, melancholic or plaintive poem.

Just figured that I'd point it out. Maybe suggesting flashbacks?
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Jun 15 2015, 10:02:46 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 09:47:57 PM
But Paz blew up though. I saw it myself.

Its said that Big Boss has her bone splinters lodged within him. He is dreaming or hallucinating or something.

That scene with "Paz" is probably there to rub salt in the wounds of Ground Zeroes, for those of us who played it.
I know, that's is the strangest part, that the player witnessed Paz blow up. Yet, this does not look like an hallucination because it is both Ocelot and BB who examine the scars.

Similar to SF, he cannot be hallucination because we see him pushing Huey over in the second trailer.

Unless Kojima is playing major tricks on the player in regards to both SF and Paz's entity?
We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.
Of course, it is probably the safest assumption to consider Paz dead. But I had and now have my reasons for believing otherwise. I stress again. It seemed pointless killing off Paz.

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Jun 15 2015, 10:05:03 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:01:33 PM
The question is, how come 9 years after the accident Paz still has the exact same blood spills in her stomach?
Only answer that I have for that is that this part takes place in 1975
Yeah it could be a flashback of when Big Boss put the bomb inside her
If all the actions we thought were SkullFace from Ground Zeroes were in fact BB.... yes that would certainly be a sinister twist on things. Also makes Chico's reaction to him in GZ seem much more terrifying but I won't go to deep int such theories yet... Oh I hope these last 2 months woosh by
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Kaz is not blind he is controlled by the same person that controlls the skulls..those who don't exist eyes and kaz's eyes have similarities!
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Kaz... I'm already half Xehanort
The new Paz is Chico
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Maybe it was an rpg that shot the chopper down and then they saved Paz :lmao:
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Jun 15 2015, 10:14:23 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:02:46 PM
blingmonkeys
Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 09:47:57 PM
But Paz blew up though. I saw it myself.

Its said that Big Boss has her bone splinters lodged within him. He is dreaming or hallucinating or something.

That scene with "Paz" is probably there to rub salt in the wounds of Ground Zeroes, for those of us who played it.
I know, that's is the strangest part, that the player witnessed Paz blow up. Yet, this does not look like an hallucination because it is both Ocelot and BB who examine the scars.

Similar to SF, he cannot be hallucination because we see him pushing Huey over in the second trailer.

Unless Kojima is playing major tricks on the player in regards to both SF and Paz's entity?
We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.
Of course, it is probably the safest assumption to consider Paz dead. But I had and now have my reasons for believing otherwise. I stress again. It seemed pointless killing off Paz.

It's possible the last part of the GZ ending cutscene when Paz blew up didn't happen, though I'm not sure what could happen instead. Don't forget this has to show up somewhere and I don't see where else it can fit besides in between the destuction of MSF and before the hospital coma scene with Kaz and "him":

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Jun 15 2015, 10:01:33 PM
The question is, how come 9 years after the accident Paz still has the exact same blood spills in her stomach?
Only answer that I have for that is that this part takes place in 1975
She is cloned...
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Jun 15 2015, 10:18:23 PM
Maybe it was an rpg that shot the chopper down and then they saved Paz :lmao:
The explosion comes from outside the chopper, it does not originate from the chopper. If an RPG hit the chopper, the explosion wouldn't originate from outside and below the chopper.

And its hardly possible that an RPG hit Paz in mid air either. Paz knew that another bomb was inside of her. We heard the insertion of that second bomb ourselves in one of the cassette tapes.

Big Boss has fragments of her bone lodged within him.

The trailer is fucking with you guys hard.

And I also doubt Paz was cloned. No reason at all to clone her.

Its actually more possible they just swapped the character model of some other character for Paz. This could have been drummed up just for the trailer.
Edited by abstract-one, Jun 15 2015, 10:25:41 PM.
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Besides, she looks kinda the same age during the events of GZ. I would be impossible for her to remain like that for 9 years.

And cloning isn't kinda an option I think. She'd look younger that way. Furthermore, why clone Paz?
Edited by Tricerius, Jun 15 2015, 10:24:14 PM.
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Whole thing in PW, GZ and TPP is coma of Big Boss. In the end of TPP we awakes im MGS4. :)
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Jun 15 2015, 10:24:28 PM
Whole thing in PW, GZ and TPP is coma of Big Boss. In the end of TPP we awakes im MGS4. :)
And then we're told to shoot Solid but the button doesn't work.
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NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE!
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Jun 15 2015, 10:24:28 PM
Whole thing in PW, GZ and TPP is coma of Big Boss. In the end of TPP we awakes im MGS4. :)
Nope, or then Metal Gear 1 and 2 never happened.
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Jun 15 2015, 10:18:32 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:14:23 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:02:46 PM
blingmonkeys
Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 09:47:57 PM
But Paz blew up though. I saw it myself.

Its said that Big Boss has her bone splinters lodged within him. He is dreaming or hallucinating or something.

That scene with "Paz" is probably there to rub salt in the wounds of Ground Zeroes, for those of us who played it.
I know, that's is the strangest part, that the player witnessed Paz blow up. Yet, this does not look like an hallucination because it is both Ocelot and BB who examine the scars.

Similar to SF, he cannot be hallucination because we see him pushing Huey over in the second trailer.

Unless Kojima is playing major tricks on the player in regards to both SF and Paz's entity?
We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.
Of course, it is probably the safest assumption to consider Paz dead. But I had and now have my reasons for believing otherwise. I stress again. It seemed pointless killing off Paz.

It's possible the last part of the GZ ending cutscene when Paz blew up didn't happen, though I'm not sure what could happen instead. Don't forget this has to show up somewhere and I don't see where else it can fit besides in between the destuction of MSF and before the hospital coma scene with Kaz and "him":

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I have the same opinion , look at his forehead , the same blood spills again
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Jun 15 2015, 10:29:13 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:14:23 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:02:46 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 09:47:57 PM
But Paz blew up though. I saw it myself.

Its said that Big Boss has her bone splinters lodged within him. He is dreaming or hallucinating or something.

That scene with "Paz" is probably there to rub salt in the wounds of Ground Zeroes, for those of us who played it.
I know, that's is the strangest part, that the player witnessed Paz blow up. Yet, this does not look like an hallucination because it is both Ocelot and BB who examine the scars.

Similar to SF, he cannot be hallucination because we see him pushing Huey over in the second trailer.

Unless Kojima is playing major tricks on the player in regards to both SF and Paz's entity?
We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.
Of course, it is probably the safest assumption to consider Paz dead. But I had and now have my reasons for believing otherwise. I stress again. It seemed pointless killing off Paz.

It's possible the last part of the GZ ending cutscene when Paz blew up didn't happen, though I'm not sure what could happen instead. Don't forget this has to show up somewhere and I don't see where else it can fit besides in between the destuction of MSF and before the hospital coma scene with Kaz and "him":

Spoiler: click to toggle
I have the same opinion , look at his forehead , the same blood spills again
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Good spot. Let's work from here I guess..

Edit: Nope he's in a DD base.
Edited by blingmonkeys, Jun 15 2015, 10:58:40 PM.
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