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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,537 Views)
PDG
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I'm pretty sure they cloned Paz. Cloning will be a major theme of this game. I don't see any other explanation. It looks as if they stitched her the way she was before she dies so she doesn't look too surprised when she awakens.
Also, she has long hair. Paz was shaven in Ground Zeroes. Definitely her clone.
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EmmGeeEss
Jun 15 2015, 09:20:03 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 09:17:37 PM
Who's the American sounding guy narrating? Sounds nothing like Kaz.
The trailer features narration from Skull Face, Kaz, Code Talker, Zero, and Ocelot, so it's one of those. Which part are you talking about specifically, dude?

EDIT: Minus Code Talker and Zero, of course :P


Wait how do you know it's Zero? It's not ocelot the person sounds younger and was in the beginning.
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Jack, listen to me. We're all born with an expiration date. No one lasts forever. Life is nothing but a grace period - for turning our genetic material into the next generation. The data of life is transferred from parent to child. That's how it works. But we have no heirs, no legacy. Cloned from our father, with the ability to reproduce conveniently engineered out. What is our legacy if we cannot pass the torch? Proof of our existence - a mark of some sort. When the torch is passed on from parent to child... it extends beyond DNA; information is imparted as well. All I want is to be remembered. By other people, by history. - Soildus Snake
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John ball
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Loving Kiefer's contribution at the end
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... and I jizzed in my pants!

Got a strong Decoy Octopus vibe for Skull Face still. And Paz? Wth?
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Jun 15 2015, 10:30:30 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:29:13 PM
AbudJasemAlBaldawi
Jun 15 2015, 10:18:32 PM
blingmonkeys
Jun 15 2015, 10:14:23 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 10:02:46 PM
blingmonkeys
Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 09:47:57 PM
But Paz blew up though. I saw it myself.

Its said that Big Boss has her bone splinters lodged within him. He is dreaming or hallucinating or something.

That scene with "Paz" is probably there to rub salt in the wounds of Ground Zeroes, for those of us who played it.
I know, that's is the strangest part, that the player witnessed Paz blow up. Yet, this does not look like an hallucination because it is both Ocelot and BB who examine the scars.

Similar to SF, he cannot be hallucination because we see him pushing Huey over in the second trailer.

Unless Kojima is playing major tricks on the player in regards to both SF and Paz's entity?
We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.
Of course, it is probably the safest assumption to consider Paz dead. But I had and now have my reasons for believing otherwise. I stress again. It seemed pointless killing off Paz.

It's possible the last part of the GZ ending cutscene when Paz blew up didn't happen, though I'm not sure what could happen instead. Don't forget this has to show up somewhere and I don't see where else it can fit besides in between the destuction of MSF and before the hospital coma scene with Kaz and "him":

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I have the same opinion , look at his forehead , the same blood spills again
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Good spot. Let's work from here I guess..

Edit: It looks like this shot is before he gets the V stitching too.
If you watch that bit where he walks down that corridor there seems to be 3 variations of BB, each time it flashes read and goes to normal he changes. (Attire, Blood & Horn)
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Jun 15 2015, 10:30:39 PM
I'm pretty sure they cloned Paz. Cloning will be a major theme of this game. I don't see any other explanation. It looks as if they stitched her the way she was before she dies so she doesn't look too surprised when she awakens.
Also, she has long hair. Paz was shaven in Ground Zeroes. Definitely her clone.
Perhaps Zero did clone her, just as a present to give to Big Boss.

For you Hannibal fans: he brought a shattered tea cup back together again.
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maybe the events of GZ happen during the events of TPP, not necessarily preceding TPP. Frankly, I'm so lost that I'm not gonna bother worrying about it, LOL.

Needless to say, Kojima rolled a natural 20 in his non-reveal trolling trailer. :)
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Jun 15 2015, 10:35:11 PM
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Jun 15 2015, 10:30:30 PM
MSFSOLDIER
Jun 15 2015, 10:29:13 PM
AbudJasemAlBaldawi
Jun 15 2015, 10:18:32 PM
blingmonkeys
Jun 15 2015, 10:14:23 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 10:02:46 PM
blingmonkeys
Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM

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We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.
Of course, it is probably the safest assumption to consider Paz dead. But I had and now have my reasons for believing otherwise. I stress again. It seemed pointless killing off Paz.

It's possible the last part of the GZ ending cutscene when Paz blew up didn't happen, though I'm not sure what could happen instead. Don't forget this has to show up somewhere and I don't see where else it can fit besides in between the destuction of MSF and before the hospital coma scene with Kaz and "him":

Spoiler: click to toggle
I have the same opinion , look at his forehead , the same blood spills again
Spoiler: click to toggle


Good spot. Let's work from here I guess..

Edit: It looks like this shot is before he gets the V stitching too.
If you watch that bit where he walks down that corridor there seems to be 3 variations of BB, each time it flashes read and goes to normal he changes. (Attire, Blood & Horn)
Yeah, but that represents the many times BB came from a mission and how he changed in that time
I'm thinking the first variant was before mother base incident , but... if it was before the incident the other ones would be after the incident and that doesn't make sense because it's always the same corridor.

PS: Sorry if I'm saying stupid things , i'm really tired :facepalm:
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Big Boss looks a bit like Benny Urquidez.

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abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 10:02:46 PM
blingmonkeys
Jun 15 2015, 09:53:33 PM
abstract-one
Jun 15 2015, 09:47:57 PM
But Paz blew up though. I saw it myself.

Its said that Big Boss has her bone splinters lodged within him. He is dreaming or hallucinating or something.

That scene with "Paz" is probably there to rub salt in the wounds of Ground Zeroes, for those of us who played it.
I know, that's is the strangest part, that the player witnessed Paz blow up. Yet, this does not look like an hallucination because it is both Ocelot and BB who examine the scars.

Similar to SF, he cannot be hallucination because we see him pushing Huey over in the second trailer.

Unless Kojima is playing major tricks on the player in regards to both SF and Paz's entity?
We just shouldn't get ahead of ourselves.

We know what we saw in Ground Zeroes, we know the context of it. But we don't know the context of this new scene in the trailer.

Does it look like Paz? Yes. Is it actually Paz? No. The events of Ground Zeroes happened.

I don't need to see Skull Face pushing Huey to know that he is real. And if that scene of him pushing Huey were the only reason to think Skull Face was real, I wouldn't consider it conclusive.

Did we hear The Boss' voice in Peace Walker? Yes we did. But we knew it wasn't really her, because we had already witnessed her unambiguous death.

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Watched the trailer and read this whole thread.

1. The Paz thing has to be a retrospective cutscene.
2. I really hope that isn't Solid Snake because that will ruin the story and premise of the Shadow Moses mission.
3. The technology is a bit too "high tech" but nevermind.
4. I've busted all kinds of nuts.
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Jun 15 2015, 10:30:39 PM
EmmGeeEss
Jun 15 2015, 09:20:03 PM
Raiden
Jun 15 2015, 09:17:37 PM
Who's the American sounding guy narrating? Sounds nothing like Kaz.
The trailer features narration from Skull Face, Kaz, Code Talker, Zero, and Ocelot, so it's one of those. Which part are you talking about specifically, dude?

EDIT: Minus Code Talker and Zero, of course :P


Wait how do you know it's Zero? It's not ocelot the person sounds younger and was in the beginning.
Go to 2:01 in the trailer. The British voice is certainly Zero. He talks about The Boss's will, and making the world whole again. He was obsessed with this his entire life.
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vlad06
Jun 15 2015, 11:01:48 PM
Watched the trailer and read this whole thread.

1. The Paz thing has to be a retrospective cutscene.
2. I really hope that isn't Solid Snake because that will ruin the story and premise of the Shadow Moses mission.
3. The technology is a bit too "high tech" but nevermind.
4. I've busted all kinds of nuts.
1. I doubt it's retrospective seeing as it features both Big Boss and Ocelot, and clearly takes place after Ground Zeroes. Could be a hallucination; could be a dream; could be a complete and utter mindfuck :P

2. My immediate reaction was, "HOLY FUCK, IS THAT SOLID SN--", and then I noticed they were mirror images of one another, right down to the clothes, so it doesn't make sense for the 'other' Eli to be Solid Snake. I don't have any explanation at this present moment in time for what might be going on, unfortunately, but I sure something will emerge soon enough. I do find it funny how the second Eli's eyes opened immediately after the first Eli closed his eyes. Hmm...

3. Who's to say the means to create and work that technology didn't exist back then, especially in the Metal Gear universe? It's a mix of poetic licence and the reality that technology way ahead of its time is probably being/has been developed as we speak

4. Me too, dude. Me, too...
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Here's another gif for you guys sorry if posted
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^yeah that move is pretty sick. King of CQC dominates all.


Hey guys, is the song from the trailer available somewhere to listen to in full by chance?
Edited by abstract-one, Jun 15 2015, 11:41:04 PM.
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Jun 15 2015, 11:38:59 PM
^yeah that move is pretty sick. King of CQC dominates all.


Hey guys, is the song from the trailer available somewhere to listen to in full by chance?
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Zero people prosper, yet the nation dies out
The ignorants dance in their own world
Governance and rule to them are only dreams
Rise and Fall politics; merely a game of Go
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hey guys what if... Paz didn't blow up, but rather the XOF unit in the chopper chasing us at the end of ground zeroes shot our chopper down? It would be crazy for her to have survived that though after being stitched up. So many possibilities this game has... Wow. Lol.
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Jun 15 2015, 11:43:54 PM
hey guys what if... Paz didn't blow up, but rather the XOF unit in the chopper chasing us at the end of ground zeroes shot our chopper down? It would be crazy for her to have survived that though after being stitched up. So many possibilities this game has... Wow. Lol.
The explosion happens outside the chopper. Had it been a rocket, it should have hit BB's chopper for it to detonate. Or be destroyed by gunfure, but we don't see any rocket being destroyed that way (or any gunfire coming from BB's chopper).

As much as I want the character to be alive, it's basically impossible for her to have survived the incident. The only way for that to happen is if GZ didn't happen at all (or only partially, with the end being BB having some kind of hallucination), or if the Paz that was in the chopper wasn't actually Paz, but I'll just assume that GZ's ending is real until proven wrong by some twist in TPP.
Edited by Tricerius, Jun 15 2015, 11:51:00 PM.
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Zero people prosper, yet the nation dies out
The ignorants dance in their own world
Governance and rule to them are only dreams
Rise and Fall politics; merely a game of Go
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Hey guys just saw the trailer again and it's only liquid , because both have the same scar on the eyebrow
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The American voice that's after Skullface sounds a lot like the radio from P.T.
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