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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,530 Views)
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If that is solid snake at the end with liquid, do you think something was done to his memory to make him forget he had a brother?
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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Got it Memeorized?
Venture
Jun 16 2015, 07:40:11 AM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:21:03 AM
Venture
Jun 16 2015, 05:47:06 AM
When did they ever give a year for Solidus' birth?
MGS3's ending timeline says "1972, The sons of Big Boss are born."
....so why would the project continue for four years after it reached its objective?
Maybe they were trying to clone other people, maybe the project involved things other than only the birth of the Sons of Big Boss.
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Grab that cane, pop that vicoden and tell them bitches it's not lupus!
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Jun 16 2015, 07:21:03 AM
Venture
Jun 16 2015, 05:47:06 AM
When did they ever give a year for Solidus' birth?
MGS3's ending timeline says "1972, The sons of Big Boss are born."
....so why would the project continue for four years after it reached its objective?
A better question would be, why do you assume Solidus was born in 76 just because it says the project was called off in 76? It doesn't say "1976, Solidus was born, LET project canceled." it just says that it was canceled.

Why they'd continue the project for another four years is completely irrelevant, MGS3 gives their birth year as 1972 and so far, there's been nothing that suggests otherwise.

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The twins are Solid and Liquid, no doubt. KieferSnake literally says "Les Enfants Terribles" when the two are shown together in the trailer. *Confirmed*


Not confirmed, only assumed. And saying "Les Enfants Terribles" doesn't automatically mean it's both Solid and Liquid being shown since the projects name applies to both of them, so it could just be Liquid and dropping the projects name would still be appropriate.
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On the wiki it says solidus was born in 1972, but I have no idea how reliable that is.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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The GZ ending not being accurate or a part of a dream/hallucination would explain the medic's voice

And what exactly does BB say in the last sentence of the trailer about LET? I can't understand precisely
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Jun 16 2015, 08:38:54 AM
The GZ ending not being accurate or a part of a dream/hallucination would explain the medic's voice

And what exactly does BB say in the last sentence of the trailer about LET? I can't understand precisely
Zero called it.
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Jun 16 2015, 08:31:14 AM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:40:11 AM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:21:03 AM
Venture
Jun 16 2015, 05:47:06 AM
When did they ever give a year for Solidus' birth?
MGS3's ending timeline says "1972, The sons of Big Boss are born."
....so why would the project continue for four years after it reached its objective?
A better question would be, why do you assume Solidus was born in 76 just because it says the project was called off in 76? It doesn't say "1976, Solidus was born, LET project canceled." it just says that it was canceled.

Why they'd continue the project for another four years is completely irrelevant, MGS3 gives their birth year as 1972 and so far, there's been nothing that suggests otherwise.

Whiskey Grin
 
The twins are Solid and Liquid, no doubt. KieferSnake literally says "Les Enfants Terribles" when the two are shown together in the trailer. *Confirmed*


Not confirmed, only assumed. And saying "Les Enfants Terribles" doesn't automatically mean it's both Solid and Liquid being shown since the projects name applies to both of them, so it could just be Liquid and dropping the projects name would still be appropriate.
Okay so what then? Do you think it's 2 different Liquids just hanging out together? Or that possibly Liquid was cloned after?

I feel it's much more likely that it is Solid and that perhaps through trauma/PTSD/nano machines/or whatever else in his childhood, that Solid lost his memories of Liquid and Big Boss.
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Ok,Let's say This Solid Snake,Why He is Blonde,Wearing Same Hair Style and outfit like Liquid ?
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Jun 16 2015, 08:31:14 AM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:40:11 AM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:21:03 AM
Venture
Jun 16 2015, 05:47:06 AM
When did they ever give a year for Solidus' birth?
MGS3's ending timeline says "1972, The sons of Big Boss are born."
....so why would the project continue for four years after it reached its objective?
A better question would be, why do you assume Solidus was born in 76 just because it says the project was called off in 76? It doesn't say "1976, Solidus was born, LET project canceled." it just says that it was canceled.
I never said he was born in 1976. I'm just making the observation that it seems illogical to have all the sons born in 1972 yet have Les Enfants Teribles end years later. Its your prerogative to ignore new information and questions involving it.
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Jun 16 2015, 08:51:47 AM
Ok,Let's say This Solid Snake,Why He is Blonde,Wearing Same Hair Style and outfit like Liquid ?
Not sure dude - either it's not him or there's more than meets the eye (probably the case, considering the mind fuckedness of the trailer).
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Jun 16 2015, 08:54:33 AM
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Ok,Let's say This Solid Snake,Why He is Blonde,Wearing Same Hair Style and outfit like Liquid ?
Not sure dude - either it's not him or there's more than meets the eye (probably the case, considering the mind fuckedness of the trailer).
Maybe It is Fifth one or Solid in disguise
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If Solid was in it, wouldn't his facial structure look at least somewhat different because it would be from a different actor? If the GZ face swap mods are anything to go by, mixing actors and faces don't work very well.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:06:02 AM
If Solid was in it, wouldn't his facial structure look at least somewhat different because it would be from a different actor? If the GZ face swap mods are anything to go by, mixing actors and faces don't work very well.
But they are twins though.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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About Liquid/Solid - I can't get a clear enough image yet, but I think there's a clue in the eyes. IIRC Liquid has green eyes, and Solid has blue. I can't quite make it out but I think the eye color changes from the 1st Liquid to the 2nd "Liquid" and that's the only visual clue that it is hinting at Solid. Instead of showing what his character model will look like, it could be that Liquid is thinking about his twin (who he's never met) and imagines himself.

It could also be (in the game) a cutscene transition from Liquid to Solid - perhaps after Solid is revealed - and just ends at the eyes changing.
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Jun 16 2015, 08:46:45 AM
Okay so what then? Do you think it's 2 different Liquids just hanging out together? Or that possibly Liquid was cloned after?

I never said he was born in 1976. I'm just making the observation that it seems illogical to have all the sons born in 1972 yet have Les Enfants Teribles end years later. Its your prerogative to ignore new information and questions involving it.
Simple, he was told at some point that he's a clone and has a twin brother clone somewhere in the world and he's imagining him looking exactly like him at that point, makes a hell of a lot more sense than Solid actually being there wearing the exact same outfit with the exact same necklace and having the exact same scars and hair style does.

Liquid couldn't have been cloned because all three of them had a "Terminator" gene that made them sterile and unable to be cloned if any of the sons were to be captured by an enemy of the Patriots and made to be used against them. This was a big part of Solidus's motives behind MGS2 because, as he couldn't have his own children, he wanted to leave behind a different sort of legacy. Re-writing that would require re-writing almost the entire story.

Big Boss left the Patriots in 1972 after finding out about the LET project, Zero then wanted a clone that was 100% identical to Big Boss so they would still have their icon, why would Zero wait four years after the fact to have Solidus created when he could do it after Big Boss ditched them and have their icon back that much sooner?

I'm not ignoring new information, I'm saying it's irrelevant, MGS3's end credits say "1972, The sons of Big Boss are born." Solidus is one of the sons, the recent info only says "1976, LET project abandoned." it doesn't say that Solidus was born then the project was abandoned, so we have no reason to say that Solidus wasn't born in 72 like the other two were.
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I hope that scene is real,Solid/Liquid. thing.I wanna see Dynamics of Big Boss,Solid and Liquid
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Jun 16 2015, 09:15:41 AM
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Jun 16 2015, 09:06:02 AM
If Solid was in it, wouldn't his facial structure look at least somewhat different because it would be from a different actor? If the GZ face swap mods are anything to go by, mixing actors and faces don't work very well.
But they are twins though.
Yes I know they are twins :)

They aren't actually identical though. That's beside the point anyway, I'm talking about how they would technically model two people with near identical appearances with two different actors' faces.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:22:35 AM
I hope that scene is real,Solid/Liquid. thing.I wanna see Dynamics of Big Boss,Solid and Liquid
Why do you want this? It will undermine the very fabric of the MGS1 storyline.

Kojima stop fucking about and be true to your main story points.
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I hope that scene is real,Solid/Liquid. thing.I wanna see Dynamics of Big Boss,Solid and Liquid
Why do you want this? It will undermine the very fabric of the MGS1 storyline.

Kojima stop fucking about and be true to your main story points.
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Grab that cane, pop that vicoden and tell them bitches it's not lupus!
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Jun 16 2015, 09:23:14 AM
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Jun 16 2015, 09:06:02 AM
If Solid was in it, wouldn't his facial structure look at least somewhat different because it would be from a different actor? If the GZ face swap mods are anything to go by, mixing actors and faces don't work very well.
But they are twins though.
Yes I know they are twins :)

They aren't actually identical though. That's beside the point anyway, I'm talking about how they would technically model two people with near identical appearances with two different actors' faces.
Who says they're using two different actors?
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