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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,529 Views)
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Jun 16 2015, 04:00:54 AM
literally, the only way skull face can be a figment of kiefersnake's imagination is if gz never happened. and i don't just mean the mission, i mean everything at camp omega.

skull face had a physical presence that was noted by everyone there:

paz said something along the lines of, "you won't be able to hide that hideous face!" and then of course, the actual marines periodically mentioning skull face, talking about his weapons, his appearance, and that particular marine who said, "and what about their commander? you didn't need an up close look to know that was no mask..."

i stand by the notion that skull face is a completely real person and his backstory is his, but that he truly does mirror big boss in a lot of ways and reflex similar ideals. skull face's final line in the trailer about eternal conflict making the world whole sounds like something straight from kiefersnake's mouth hole. i figure that's just him seeing skull face, knowing he's in his head, or even just realizing he owes the metal gear to skull face. that memorial idea was interesting too, especially if kiefersnake has it, knowing what skull face has done to him.

but i just don't see how what happened in gz can be fiction, and if it isn't fiction, then skull face had a physical presence here.

which means i won't be robbed of a boss fight with him, god willing.

blindfox

i know you posted this a long time ago, but no, kojima already confirmed we have traditional boss fights, and so far, we know that includes the skulls and pyro-volgin.

in fact, vehicles have been demoted to 'advanced enemies' and not actual bosses, so huzzah, i say.
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Really glad to hear that. Information has been spread so far and between these last few years that there's bound to be something I forget or dont remember haha.

I'm also in the belief that Skull Face is real, and man can't wait to take him on in a boss fight.

Meanwhile, I'm really really loving this hallucination theory. I think Skullface is definitely real, and I think he's killed either midway or sometime early, only to come back as a haunting hallucination of Big Boss as he plunges deeper into insanity.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:06:02 AM
If Solid was in it, wouldn't his facial structure look at least somewhat different because it would be from a different actor? If the GZ face swap mods are anything to go by, mixing actors and faces don't work very well.
But they are twins though.
Yes I know they are twins :)

They aren't actually identical though. That's beside the point anyway, I'm talking about how they would technically model two people with near identical appearances with two different actors' faces.
Who says they're using two different actors?
Sigh, nobody said they're using two different actors because nobody actually knows if Solid is even in the game. If Solid was in the game, I would expect them to use a second actor and not have the VA do an accent. They didn't have David Hayter voice Liquid or Solidus.

@ previous response

My name isn't Whiskey Grin. You are choosing to ignore it when you label it irrelevant and refuse to even entertain the question of what they did for four years after accomplishing their task. If you want to stick to the vague timeline entry from a decade ago in a heavily retconned game series, that's fine. Apparently it makes you crazy to wonder why there is a discrepancy.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:22:35 AM
I hope that scene is real,Solid/Liquid. thing.I wanna see Dynamics of Big Boss,Solid and Liquid
Why do you want this? It will undermine the very fabric of the MGS1 storyline.

Kojima stop fucking about and be true to your main story points.
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Idk. Seems more logical to think that GZ was fiction than Paz coming back from the dead.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:56:05 AM
My name isn't Whiskey Grin. You are choosing to ignore it when you label it irrelevant and refuse to even entertain the question of what they did for four years after accomplishing their task. If you want to stick to the vague timeline entry from a decade ago in a heavily retconned game series, that's fine. Apparently it makes you crazy to wonder why there is a discrepancy.
And? At this point I wouldn't care if your name was Mudd.

I'm saying it's irrelevant because that's what it is, irrelevant. It doesn't give any proof or implication that MGS3's end credits timeline has been retconned. All it says is that the project was abandoned, it doesn't say that Solidus was created and then the project was abandoned, whereas MGS3's credits timeline gives a definite birth date for all three of them so until something actually does come up that says otherwise, all three of them were born in 72.

And you do know that this series doesn't have nearly the amount of retcons people like to think it does right?
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And? At this point I wouldn't care if your name was Mudd.


I guess using the quote button is just too complicated for some people.

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I'm saying it's irrelevant because that's what it is, irrelevant. It doesn't give any proof or implication that MGS3's end credits timeline has been retconned.

I never said there was proof of anything. Its a suggestion, not a statement of fact, that Solidus could have been born anytime in or between 72 and 76 because of new information regarding the lifetime of the project and the fact that Solidus was created post Twin Snakes(who in reality are the only real derivative sons while Solidus is a perfect clone). I don't know how dense you have to be to say a project's timeline has no correlation with its outcome.

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And you do know that this series doesn't have nearly the amount of retcons people like to think it does right?


Are you kidding?
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Can anyone make out a script from the long trailer ,i want to know all the quote the cast said :(
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GZ being fiction is just a little too far, I hope people aren't actually believing that theory, sorry.
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Jun 16 2015, 12:57:18 PM
GZ being fiction is just a little too far, I hope people aren't actually believing that theory, sorry.
GZ totally being fictional? Yes.

Sections being hallucinations that BB suffers? Not too far fetched.
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Jun 16 2015, 08:21:45 AM
If that is solid snake at the end with liquid, do you think something was done to his memory to make him forget he had a brother?
yes

Also, this morning I'm coming more to the belief that Skull Face is just a physical manifestation of Big Boss's sins. How he came to be? Idk. But we've seen people become an exact doppelganger of someone in this series before...as I mentioned before, he might've went through some form of experiment, or he could've just heavily studied Big Boss's ways explaining the "Me and your boss go way back" line in GZ, and also the constant use of BB's lines. Kind of made me think of when Ultron repeated a Stark line in the latest Avengers. Yea, in that last scene he's a hallucination but like mentioned before I'm sure it's there as a metaphor...SF is real.

Still stuck about this Paz situation tho. No way she survived GZ, and GZ can't be fake because I don't think BB was tripping yet...although that theory about how GZ was political propaganda and it didn't truly end like that is now interesting to me. But I still doubt it. It might be BB dreaming or hallucinating again.

But remember Kojima said "Not Your Kind of People"'s lyrics explain TPP...that "Everything's a lie" line is really standing out to me now
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Errr that isnt solid snake. They are clearly both Eli. I made this image up to show they have identical scars. Not something clones should have.

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Top row is of screenshots, row under has scars circled just in case the circles obscured anything or made it harder to see the scars.
Also, the cheek scar isn't circled on "other Eli", despite there being a few frames where I thought I could see it. The screen flair was constantly obscuring which prevented a 100% clear shot.


The identical clothing should have given it away but matching scars? Nope, this isnt Solid snake. 100% sure on that, y'all been had by the master troll.
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Hey you guys remember project omega? This was fake or not?
Because it could explain a lot about BB's hallucinations

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Jun 16 2015, 01:25:40 PM
Errr that isnt solid snake. They are clearly both Eli. I made this image up to show they have identical scars. Not something clones should have.

The image is pretty big so be warned -
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Top row is of screenshots, row under has scars circled just in case the circles obscured anything or made it harder to see the scars.
Also, the cheek scar isn't circled on "other Eli", despite there being a few frames where I thought I could see it. The screen flair was constantly obscuring which prevented a 100% clear shot.


The identical clothing should have given it away but matching scars? Nope, this isnt Solid snake. 100% sure on that, y'all been had by the master troll.
That means shit. If his eye colour was different, maybe, but saying it isn't Snake because he has a few scars is not really convincing anyone.

Besides, Kojima said TPP may break canon on small details like a year or so ago and these scars aren't really a big deal. I think it is fair to say it is David and Eli. Nothing concrete but we now have confirmation that Eli is indeed Liquid.
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Jun 16 2015, 01:39:44 PM
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Errr that isnt solid snake. They are clearly both Eli. I made this image up to show they have identical scars. Not something clones should have.

The image is pretty big so be warned -
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Top row is of screenshots, row under has scars circled just in case the circles obscured anything or made it harder to see the scars.
Also, the cheek scar isn't circled on "other Eli", despite there being a few frames where I thought I could see it. The screen flair was constantly obscuring which prevented a 100% clear shot.


The identical clothing should have given it away but matching scars? Nope, this isnt Solid snake. 100% sure on that, y'all been had by the master troll.
That means shit. If his eye colour was different, maybe, but saying it isn't Snake because he has a few scars is not really convincing anyone.

Besides, Kojima said TPP may break canon on small details like a year or so ago and these scars aren't really a big deal. I think it is fair to say it is David and Eli. Nothing concrete but we now have confirmation that Eli is indeed Liquid.
Lol wat. You aren't born with scars you know? If you inherited body damage when cloning then Eli, David and George would all only have one eye.

Are you asking me to assume that they somehow got identical scars growing up, have the same hair style and clothing and also somehow forgot about meeting each other?
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Jun 16 2015, 01:08:58 PM
Sections being hallucinations that BB suffers? Not too far fetched.
He didn't hallucinate until he got the shrapnel in his head. From the explosion of the chiller most likely.


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Sections being hallucinations that BB suffers? Not too far fetched.
He didn't hallucinate until he got the shrapnel in his head. From the explosion of the chiller most likely.


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Are you asking me to assume that they somehow got identical scars growing up, have the same hair style and clothing and also somehow forgot about meeting each other?
Okay so in MGS1's briefing, Snake had long hair
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Notice he has blonde/light hair there. Nobody knows what Snake's hair was like when growing up. After all, I've heard Liquid dyed his hair too due to the rays of the sun.

The great thing about hug gaps between the birth and Metal Gear 2 (or MGS1 in Liquid's case) is we don't know visually what they were like in between. Plus I know there was that talk about Liquid and Snake never meeting each other. However, like I said, Kojima has said that TPP may break some canon. Not that if they met in MGS5 would ruin the story of MGS1 for me.
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Are you asking me to assume that they somehow got identical scars growing up, have the same hair style and clothing and also somehow forgot about meeting each other?
Okay so in MGS1's briefing, Snake had long hair
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Notice he has blonde/light hair there. Nobody knows what Snake's hair was like when growing up. After all, I've heard Liquid dyed his hair too due to the rays of the sun.

The great thing about hug gaps between the birth and Metal Gear 2 (or MGS1 in Liquid's case) is we don't know visually what they were like in between. Plus I know there was that talk about Liquid and Snake never meeting each other. However, like I said, Kojima has said that TPP may break some canon. Not that if they met in MGS5 would ruin the story of MGS1 for me.
We know what solid snake looked like in MG and MG2 and we know he didn't have blonde hair (this could be ret-conned). We also have never had confirmation that he hair was actually blonde in the briefing (no actual confirmation), just that it looked blonde. It isn't blonde in Twin Snakes, a game with confirmed retcons, (e.g. Naomi and Mei-lings voices. (also as a side note, sure scissors, but hair dye on a submarine?))

Also, you didn't explain the identical scars.
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Are you asking me to assume that they somehow got identical scars growing up, have the same hair style and clothing and also somehow forgot about meeting each other?
Okay so in MGS1's briefing, Snake had long hair
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Notice he has blonde/light hair there. Nobody knows what Snake's hair was like when growing up. After all, I've heard Liquid dyed his hair too due to the rays of the sun.

The great thing about hug gaps between the birth and Metal Gear 2 (or MGS1 in Liquid's case) is we don't know visually what they were like in between. Plus I know there was that talk about Liquid and Snake never meeting each other. However, like I said, Kojima has said that TPP may break some canon. Not that if they met in MGS5 would ruin the story of MGS1 for me.
We know what solid snake looked like in MG and MG2 and we know he didn't have blonde hair (this could be ret-conned). We also have never had confirmation that he hair was actually blonde in the briefing (no actual confirmation), just that it looked blonde. It isn't blonde in Twin Snakes, a game with confirmed retcons, (e.g. Naomi and Mei-lings voices. (also as a side note, sure scissors, but hair dye on a submarine?))

Also, you didn't explain the identical scars.
I don't think people here view TTS as a point in the main story, more like a particularly alternative take. Similar to DGN takes on the games.

And I did explain the scars. Like I said, Kojima mentioned small retcons...That might be the reason. It isn't anything franchise breaking if it is Solid with the scars. It is just there and one hardly noticeable.

Plus, notice the face the first child makes at the end. It is similar to a Solid Snake. For me, it screamed Solid (Though in my reaction, I shouted it had to be Liquid)
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