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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,527 Views)
SnakeVenom
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Jun 16 2015, 06:00:49 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 05:52:31 PM
I'm wondering how they said you can play the whole game without even meeting Quiet but she's pretty much everywhere in the trailers and stuff and she seems like a pretty integral part of the story.

I just can't understand this... :headbang:
I think this is how it will work out:-

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I'm with this. If you go through the game and pop every enemy you see then you probably won't get some of the cool extra stuff. Marking enemy and listening to conversations could help out a lot to ensure you don't just kill anyone in an enemy uniform and possibly bring special personnel back to MB
Edited by SnakeVenom, Jun 16 2015, 06:09:58 PM.
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Jun 16 2015, 02:18:34 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 02:10:56 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 01:59:29 PM
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Are you asking me to assume that they somehow got identical scars growing up, have the same hair style and clothing and also somehow forgot about meeting each other?
Okay so in MGS1's briefing, Snake had long hair
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Notice he has blonde/light hair there. Nobody knows what Snake's hair was like when growing up. After all, I've heard Liquid dyed his hair too due to the rays of the sun.

The great thing about hug gaps between the birth and Metal Gear 2 (or MGS1 in Liquid's case) is we don't know visually what they were like in between. Plus I know there was that talk about Liquid and Snake never meeting each other. However, like I said, Kojima has said that TPP may break some canon. Not that if they met in MGS5 would ruin the story of MGS1 for me.
We know what solid snake looked like in MG and MG2 and we know he didn't have blonde hair (this could be ret-conned). We also have never had confirmation that he hair was actually blonde in the briefing (no actual confirmation), just that it looked blonde. It isn't blonde in Twin Snakes, a game with confirmed retcons, (e.g. Naomi and Mei-lings voices. (also as a side note, sure scissors, but hair dye on a submarine?))

Also, you didn't explain the identical scars.
I don't think people here view TTS as a point in the main story, more like a particularly alternative take. Similar to DGN takes on the games.

And I did explain the scars. Like I said, Kojima mentioned small retcons...That might be the reason. It isn't anything franchise breaking if it is Solid with the scars. It is just there and one hardly noticeable.

Plus, notice the face the first child makes at the end. It is similar to a Solid Snake. For me, it screamed Solid (Though in my reaction, I shouted it had to be Liquid)
No I think everyone her actually looks at TTS as canon and more of a fix on the story w better graphics...even on the back of the game if says something like "play MGS1 as Kojima meant it to be" or something like that. He just couldn't because technology wise.. they took out the hair dye part because it was ridiculous to have hair dye on a sub. they changed it to him cutting his hair.
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Jun 16 2015, 05:06:26 PM
I look at it as Kojima wanting to imply Solid Snake will be in the game, without actually revealing what he looks like.
This makes sense actually.
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Jun 16 2015, 02:53:29 PM
Lol to everyone denying Solid Snake is in the trailer. Yes their clothes, hair, scars look identical, but has no one ever considered the plot behind both of them sitting somberly inside the chopper. Perhaps they have been kidnapped and are dressed the same to confuse Big Boss or something from either killing or rescuing the wrong Snake. He did love Liquid the most.
Because bringing Solid all the way to Liquid's location and then giving him the same tattered clothes and scars and other miscellaneous details makes sense even with excessive suspension of disbelief. You know what, I think Solidus is in the same room as them, behind the wall next to them showing lil'Raiden his super cool adoptive uncles.

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If it was the case, then they just retconned the whole story of MG, MG2 and MGS1. Although I really think there will be such major retcons. So who knows?!
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I can't believe any of you who are saying that isn't Solid Snake can't simply grasp that brainwashing and memory wipes are a big part of Metal Gear lore... I'd rather think they were manipulated into believing they never met than Zero immediately splitting them up from birth never to see each other until MGS1.

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Sounds logical enough. Although whoever's tagging the scars in those images missed the fact that the "first" one has a scar on his right cheek sort of underneath his eye where as the "second" does not. Also, those scars that were highlighted seem to be the exact scars Big Boss has (obviously, much less pronounced but in the same exact places nonetheless).
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Is there anyone who doesn't really care? I mean there can be so many interpretations of why we see 2 Elis that it's not even worth discussing IMO.
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I care about it far less than some of the other way more interesting shit served up by that trailer. And I care about it far, far less than the supposed gameplay trailer happening today.
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ideologic
Jun 16 2015, 06:26:06 PM
Sounds logical enough. Although whoever's tagging the scars in those images missed the fact that the "first" one has a scar on his right cheek sort of underneath his eye where as the "second" does not. Also, those scars that were highlighted seem to be the exact scars Big Boss has (obviously, much less pronounced but in the same exact places nonetheless).
its there, hidden by lens flair. cant get good screenshot.
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Jun 16 2015, 06:27:19 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't really care? I mean there can be so many interpretations of why we see 2 Elis that it's not even worth discussing IMO.
It's because this scene was intended do bring these questions and this kind of hype. Totally worth the discussion imo
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Right I am sick of this.

Who out there wants to put their money where their mouth is and wager with me on this? We can put funds in a third party escrow service and the winner takes all.

That is NOT Solid Snake and the theories of memory wipes are laughable.

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Who is the man outside the Chopper at 3:15 in the video?

And as far as Solid at the end goes, do you guys really think Kojima wouldn't retcon a few points? I believe he confirmed he doesn't let that stuff tie his story ideas down.
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Jun 16 2015, 06:53:01 PM
Who is the man outside the Chopper at 3:15 in the video?
A Skull.

For reference:

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Parasite_Unit
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That solid snake retcon is probably one of those retcons i would welcome :snake: I want him in the game!
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I can't believe people are saying they are identical!?! Whilst they look alike, they clearly have different lips/scars on the face.
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Jun 16 2015, 07:11:22 PM
That solid snake retcon is probably one of those retcons i would welcome :snake: I want him in the game!
Liquid: "You're fine."

Solid: "I'm fine???"

Liquid: "You got all the old man's dominant genes. I got all the flawed, recessive genes."

Big Boss: "No you don't."

Solid: "He doesn't???"

Liquid: "Oh. Can we go to Chuck E. Cheese, daddy?"
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Jun 16 2015, 07:25:33 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:11:22 PM
That solid snake retcon is probably one of those retcons i would welcome :snake: I want him in the game!
Liquid: "You're fine."

Solid: "I'm fine???"

Liquid: "You got all the old man's dominant genes. I got all the flawed, recessive genes."

Big Boss: "No you don't."

Solid: "He doesn't???"

Liquid: "Oh. Can we go to Chuck E. Cheese, daddy?"
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Jun 16 2015, 07:14:36 PM
I can't believe people are saying they are identical!?! Whilst they look alike, they clearly have different lips/scars on the face.
The second one that the camera pans over to, has these lines that almost make it look like he has a glasgow smile. That is just a lighting thing though, you can see light reflecting off his skin forms a straight line that moves as the camera angle changes.

Is that what you are talking about? I thought for a moment it was a glasgow smile as well.

The first snake child has a scar on his right cheek, and I can't tell if its there on the other one due to the lightning.
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Jun 16 2015, 07:41:38 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:14:36 PM
I can't believe people are saying they are identical!?! Whilst they look alike, they clearly have different lips/scars on the face.
The second one that the camera pans over to, has these lines that almost make it look like he has a glasgow smile. That is just a lighting thing though, you can see light reflecting off his skin forms a straight line that moves as the camera angle changes.

Is that what you are talking about? I thought for a moment it was a glasgow smile as well.

The first snake child has a scar on his right cheek, and I can't tell if its there on the other one due to the lightning.
No no, look at Eli's lips (the first one). Lots of cuts, scuffs etc.

The second boy (Solid Snake) has no marks on his lips. There does look to be a scar on the cheek, I will admit that, but the lips are quite easy to see.
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