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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
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CraigUK
Jun 16 2015, 02:10:56 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 01:59:29 PM
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Are you asking me to assume that they somehow got identical scars growing up, have the same hair style and clothing and also somehow forgot about meeting each other?
Okay so in MGS1's briefing, Snake had long hair
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Notice he has blonde/light hair there. Nobody knows what Snake's hair was like when growing up. After all, I've heard Liquid dyed his hair too due to the rays of the sun.

The great thing about hug gaps between the birth and Metal Gear 2 (or MGS1 in Liquid's case) is we don't know visually what they were like in between. Plus I know there was that talk about Liquid and Snake never meeting each other. However, like I said, Kojima has said that TPP may break some canon. Not that if they met in MGS5 would ruin the story of MGS1 for me.
We know what solid snake looked like in MG and MG2 and we know he didn't have blonde hair (this could be ret-conned). We also have never had confirmation that he hair was actually blonde in the briefing (no actual confirmation), just that it looked blonde. It isn't blonde in Twin Snakes, a game with confirmed retcons, (e.g. Naomi and Mei-lings voices. (also as a side note, sure scissors, but hair dye on a submarine?))

Also, you didn't explain the identical scars.
Yeah but big boss looked like sean connery and kaz looked like a japanese guy. Whatever the characters looked like in mg/mg2 doesn't count
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Jun 16 2015, 08:23:54 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 07:14:36 PM
I can't believe people are saying they are identical!?! Whilst they look alike, they clearly have different lips/scars on the face.
The second one that the camera pans over to, has these lines that almost make it look like he has a glasgow smile. That is just a lighting thing though, you can see light reflecting off his skin forms a straight line that moves as the camera angle changes.

Is that what you are talking about? I thought for a moment it was a glasgow smile as well.

The first snake child has a scar on his right cheek, and I can't tell if its there on the other one due to the lightning.
No no, look at Eli's lips (the first one). Lots of cuts, scuffs etc.

The second boy (Solid Snake) has no marks on his lips. There does look to be a scar on the cheek, I will admit that, but the lips are quite easy to see.
They have identical scars, the only scar which isn't 100% clear is the one of the left cheek.

There is a forehead, eyebrow/nose and lips scars visible on both of them.

They are all highlighted in the screenshots image i posted.
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Yongyea also thinks it is Solid Snake.
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Jun 16 2015, 04:59:24 PM
Seems like some people want it to be snake so much that they are blind to the evidence that its just Eli x2 I dont even think its clone of eli as even that doesnt explain the scars.
So he has a few scars, wow...

So he has blonde hair, wow...So did I but now I am brown hair, does that mean I have a clone?
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I can't believe people are saying they are identical!?! Whilst they look alike, they clearly have different lips/scars on the face.
The second one that the camera pans over to, has these lines that almost make it look like he has a glasgow smile. That is just a lighting thing though, you can see light reflecting off his skin forms a straight line that moves as the camera angle changes.

Is that what you are talking about? I thought for a moment it was a glasgow smile as well.

The first snake child has a scar on his right cheek, and I can't tell if its there on the other one due to the lightning.
No no, look at Eli's lips (the first one). Lots of cuts, scuffs etc.

The second boy (Solid Snake) has no marks on his lips. There does look to be a scar on the cheek, I will admit that, but the lips are quite easy to see.
The light reflecting off his lips highlights the ridges/detail more.

This detail isn't noticeable on the second Snake child's lips because the front of his face is cast in shadow with no light reflecting off of it.

edit: But actually the image comparisons Craig posted do make it clear they share all the same scars, save the left cheek one that we can't see on the second Snake child:

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I can count 5 out of 6 scars that we can see that they both have. Craig has 4 circled that they have in common, but I think I can faintly see the 5th one on the second child's forehead. Right click the image to view it full-sized.

5 out of 6 is good enough for me. We can assume the 6th scar is there and we just can't see it.

I think this is very conclusive it isn't Solid.

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Yongyea also thinks it is Solid Snake.


Yong didn't mention the scars. If he is at E3 he wouldn't have had the chance to clear up the images and notice the scars. I initially thought it was both Solid and Liquid as well.
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Jun 16 2015, 04:59:24 PM
Seems like some people want it to be snake so much that they are blind to the evidence that its just Eli x2 I dont even think its clone of eli as even that doesnt explain the scars.
So he has a few scars, wow...

So he has blonde hair, wow...So did I but now I am brown hair, does that mean I have a clone?
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You have had 12/13 different faces TheDoctor...
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It is so obvious that probably the second Eli is Solid... It is like 90% chances.
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Jun 16 2015, 08:51:00 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 04:59:24 PM
Seems like some people want it to be snake so much that they are blind to the evidence that its just Eli x2 I dont even think its clone of eli as even that doesnt explain the scars.
So he has a few scars, wow...

So he has blonde hair, wow...So did I but now I am brown hair, does that mean I have a clone?
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You have had 12/13 different faces TheDoctor...
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OT: I am sure Yoji Shinkawa has mentioned the fact that Snake has had blonde hair. Nevertheless, my point still stands. Nobody knew what he looked like in the gap from his birth til the MSX games so any point to argue is useless. Plus, in MGS1, he had to change his hairstyle not to be confused with Liquid and we see two matching TWINS...It's Solid and Liquid, accept it folks.
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Jun 16 2015, 08:47:25 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 04:59:24 PM
Seems like some people want it to be snake so much that they are blind to the evidence that its just Eli x2 I dont even think its clone of eli as even that doesnt explain the scars.
So he has a few scars, wow...

So he has blonde hair, wow...So did I but now I am brown hair, does that mean I have a clone?
The hair colour has never been the point I am making, but it is the point you keep bringing up. The identical scar placement is. Without grasping at straws there is no reason why David and Eli would have identical scar placement/size.

The only thing I was saying about the hair is that they have it in the same style hair and clothing. Which I guess some identical twins sometimes do try to look alike, in terms of hair style and outfits. But identical twins who didn't grow up together? (We know this because Eli has a British accent from growing up in England and David doesn't.

But all that means hardly anything though and is almost insignificant, its just additional evidence on top of the unexplainable identical scar placement on the two characters. They are clearly the same model. So either someone is imagining the second Eli or they some how got identical scars, whatever those odds are, I guess they aren't 0%, but hey even if it was 0.0000000001% thats still a chance right, still something for you to grasp on to.


Kazuhira
Jun 16 2015, 08:46:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLikTShIWjg

Yongyea also thinks it is Solid Snake.

Wrap it up guys, Yongyea thought it was Solid Snake in his first impression video after seeing a low quality recording a few times, a video he recorded while he admitted he was tired and running late. He said himself he isnt a robot and he cant know everything. Who else in you noticed the identical scars?

Its entirely possible when faced with this evidence he will change his mind, like any sane person would.
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Double post sorry, didnt know how to quote two people at once, figured it out now.
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Seems like some people want it to be snake so much that they are blind to the evidence that its just Eli x2 I dont even think its clone of eli as even that doesnt explain the scars.
So he has a few scars, wow...

So he has blonde hair, wow...So did I but now I am brown hair, does that mean I have a clone?
The hair colour has never been the point I am making, but it is the point you keep bringing up. The identical scar placement is. Without grasping at straws there is no reason why David and Eli would have identical scar placement/size.

The only thing I was saying about the hair is that they have it in the same style hair and clothing. Which I guess some identical twins sometimes do try to look alike, in terms of hair style and outfits. But identical twins who didn't grow up together? (We know this because Eli has a British accent from growing up in England and David doesn't.

But all that means hardly anything though and is almost insignificant, its just additional evidence on top of the unexplainable identical scar placement on the two characters. They are clearly the same model. So either someone is imagining the second Eli or they some how got identical scars, whatever those odds are, I guess they aren't 0%, but hey even if it was 0.0000000001% thats still a chance right, still something for you to grasp on to.
Like I said, the scars are really nothing. It's not like a big red scar anyways. It's like adding that little mark on a painting. With or without it, it won't make a difference. The second twin is as much Solid Snake as the first time seeing Eli was Liquid. I don't know how it isn't screaming the name at some people.
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But it isnt "really nothing" its something with such astronomically small odds that to say that it doesn't matter makes me think you are delusional.
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I don't know why some people want so badly that the boy isn't Solid. And if it is indeed Solid. What is the problem?
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Jun 16 2015, 09:06:29 PM
But it isnt "really nothing" its something with such astronomically small odds that to say that it doesn't matter makes me think you are delusional.
Okay, so something small like a few scars that NOBODY but you are even giving a flying fuck about is game breaking. Kudos, join LibertySon in the reject section.

What happens if it is Solid? Are you going to hunt down Kojima and say he raped this game to death?
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Identical twins. Share the scars of their father. Big Boss narrates "Les Enfants Terrible... Zero called it" as the two are panned in camera. Two of them finally in a trailer, and all we're getting is flack for thinking it's Solid Snake? wtf, and when did this forum become so "It's not Solid because I don't want it to be"..

I see KoRnFlakes is going on a dislike tangent too, feel free to continue to smash those dislikes, but what proof do you even remotely have that it's NOT solid? Oh... the scars are identical, and they are wearing the same clothes... absolutely totally definitely can't be solid...

Unbelievable.
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Identical twins. Share the scars of their father. Big Boss narrates "Les Enfants Terrible... Zero called it" as the two are panned in camera. Two of them finally in a trailer, and all we're getting is flack for thinking it's Solid Snake? wtf, and when did this forum become so "It's not Solid because I don't want it to be"..

I see KoRnFlakes is going on a dislike tangent too, feel free to continue to smash those dislikes, but what proof do you even remotely have that it's NOT solid? Oh... the scars are identical, and they are wearing the same clothes... absolutely totally definitely can't be solid...

Unbelievable.
Wow they share the scars of their father, because I'm pretty sure both of their eyes are perfectly fine.
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Like I said, the scars are really nothing. It's not like a big red scar anyways. It's like adding that little mark on a painting. With or without it, it won't make a difference. The second twin is as much Solid Snake as the first time seeing Eli was Liquid. I don't know how it isn't screaming the name at some people


You just suggesting this is kind of meaningless.

It is something. You can't just dismiss it. Painting analogy makes no sense at all. Why wouldn't they give Liquid and Solid different character models? It would take no time at all to give them slight variations, which they of course would have even as clones.

But at the end of the day its doesn't fucking matter really. If its either two Liquids or both Liquid and Solid, we still don't know anything about them in the game.

I don't think that is Solid, but I do think he will be in the game somehow.

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Okay, so something small like a few scars that NOBODY but you are even giving a flying fuck about is game breaking. Kudos, join LibertySon in the reject section.


Where did he say it was game breaking or that it was something to complain about? He is just pointing out a visual fact.

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I don't know why some people want so badly that the boy isn't Solid. And if it is indeed Solid. What is the problem?


No one is wanting anything. I don't see how wants enter into the equation. There is no problem.

I'm just trying to answer the question for myself "is one of the two Solid Snake?" And I don't think we have seen him yet based on the scars.

Unless Kojima wants to make some obtuse philosophical point about them sharing the same scars. I welcome anyone to explain what such a point would be, to them having the same scars.

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Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.
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Somewhere out there Kojima is watching everyone argue about the ending of his trailer while laughing and thinking, "mission accomplished."

OT. I want solid snake to be in the game but I'm not so sure if that's him beside liquid. The reason I say that is not some petty reason like scars, but because it would completely shatter MGS1's story. I know Kojima said he would break some canon, but this would be too big. If that is Solid though, I'm pretty sure he got brainwashed or the patriots tampered with his memory to make him forget meeting his twin. If Ocelot can use nanomachines and drugs to "fool himseld" into thinking he's liquid, I'm sure this can be possible.
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Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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