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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,525 Views)
The Doctor
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abstract-one
Jun 16 2015, 09:14:47 PM
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Like I said, the scars are really nothing. It's not like a big red scar anyways. It's like adding that little mark on a painting. With or without it, it won't make a difference. The second twin is as much Solid Snake as the first time seeing Eli was Liquid. I don't know how it isn't screaming the name at some people


You just suggesting this is kind of meaningless.

It is something. You can't just dismiss it. Painting analogy makes no sense at all. Why wouldn't they give Liquid and Solid different character models? It would take no time at all to give them slight variations, which they of course would have even as clones.

But at the end of the day its doesn't fucking matter really. If its either two Liquids or both Liquid and Solid, we still don't know anything about them in the game.

I don't think that is Solid, but I do think he will be in the game somehow.

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Okay, so something small like a few scars that NOBODY but you are even giving a flying fuck about is game breaking. Kudos, join LibertySon in the reject section.


Where did he say it was game breaking or that it was something to complain about? He is just pointing out a visual fact.

Oh man, he has scars that were not on him in MGS2...Nope it isn't Solid.

There's a few bits that make this Solid Snake. If there was something little on Eli would you deny he was Eli then?
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Acid Boss
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Seems there is just no pleasing a few people who outright have it out for Solid. We can see Eli in the original trailers, people discuss, and come to a collective agreement "That's Liquid!"

But then when all of the narration and signs point to TWINS, BOTH OF THEM, it's blatantly ignored? Forgive me, but I get the feeling some people just want to ride the "David Hayter/Solid Isn't in this just so I can be right and laugh in everyones faces" like it's some ego thing..

The fucking evidence is right in front of our noses, and excuse me for being so blunt but I mean honestly... fight a battle for the sake of fighting a battle much?!...
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Now I have seen the screenshot comparison that was done, the scars are in the same place. I will admit that. However, I do think it would be foolish in a game where there are people with unicorn horn pieces of shrapnel that seems to be growing, mind control and zombies turning into soldiers that are well out of place in the 80s to treat it as concrete there are similar places scars. They could be made in the image of Big Boss, scars and all...
Edited by Scott_HKR, Jun 16 2015, 09:25:41 PM.
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John ball
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I don't get what the twins are doing in the clip... they seem tuned out, it's weird
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Also, show me confirmation Eli is actually liquid lol? As far as we KNOW... Eli is just... Eli!?
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Jun 16 2015, 09:17:45 PM
Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.
So you are going to dismiss the FACT they have identical scars, something which reasonably (to any normal person) not be possible, as nothing.

People aren't born with scars
People don't inherit scars
People who get scars tend to accidentally get them.

So tell me again why would David and Eli share the exact same scars? Don't dismiss it as stupid or whatever. I want a reason which isn't grasping at straws. I'm putting forward visual evidence that they are both the same person and you are arguing back by dismissing and saying it means nothing but not putting any reason forward for your side of the disagreement.
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Instead of getting cranky defensive about it, why don't you offer up your thoughts on why they would share the same exact scars. Without just stating its irrelevant because you choose to see it as irrelevant. We could probably move the conversation forward that way. Genuinely curious why they would have the same scars. Kojima is a little wacky in rationalizing these sorts of things, but I can't think of a way of wording why they would have the same scars.

I remember someone suggesting earlier that they would have to look exactly alike for some obtuse reason, so that no one could tell them apart. Perhaps so that Big Boss couldn't tell them apart. Seems baseless to me. Why?


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Seems there is just no pleasing a few people who outright have it out for Solid.


LOL, yes its a regular inquisition.
Edited by abstract-one, Jun 16 2015, 09:29:31 PM.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:25:48 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 09:17:45 PM
Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.
So you are going to dismiss the FACT they have identical scars, something which reasonably (to any normal person) not be possible, as nothing.

People aren't born with scars
People don't inherit scars
People who get scars tend to accidentally get them.

So tell me again why would David and Eli share the exact same scars? Don't dismiss it as stupid or whatever. I want a reason which isn't grasping at straws. I'm putting forward visual evidence that they are both the same person and you are arguing back by dismissing and saying it means nothing but not putting any reason forward for your side of the disagreement.
I understand your viewpoint, I really do, but you can't deal with facts of life in one regard, and then dismiss other stuff as "oh well it is a game" (not saying you personally have, but a lot of this we are just treating as normal because it is in a game, such as the horn, the mind control etc.)

I think the voiceover in my opinion is clearer evidence that Solid will be in the game, and could well be that second child.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:23:21 PM
Seems there is just no pleasing a few people who outright have it out for Solid. We can see Eli in the original trailers, people discuss, and come to a collective agreement "That's Liquid!"

But then when all of the narration and signs point to TWINS, BOTH OF THEM, it's blatantly ignored? Forgive me, but I get the feeling some people just want to ride the "David Hayter/Solid Isn't in this just so I can be right and laugh in everyones faces" like it's some ego thing..

The fucking evidence is right in front of our noses, and excuse me for being so blunt but I mean honestly... fight a battle for the sake of fighting a battle much?!...
To me the narration isn't suggesting its Liquid and Solid, its confirming that Eli is Liquid. LET project is mentioned, and you see one of the subjects of that project.
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dragonknight
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it makes much more sense that it's an illusion or a mirrored image of liquid than solid

but i do think having both of them and "les enfants terrible" in the trailer hinting at solid being apart of the game


it just wouldn't make sense if it was solid...Solid never knew he was a clone or knew Liquid until the events of MGS 1
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I don't get what the twins are doing in the clip... they seem tuned out, it's weird


My only guess so far is that Eli is meditating, having some out of body experience. Bit wacky, but the idea popped up for me because of Code Talker maybe guiding Big Boss into doing something similar in that other clip.
Edited by abstract-one, Jun 16 2015, 09:33:25 PM.
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Perhaps somebody inflicted the same exact wounds on them?

I wouldn't know why would they wound them, murder attempt aside (and why would the assassin just scratch them, instead of killing them outright, ignoring any modus operandi), but that's the only reason why I think they'd share the same scars.

Maybe as a way to mark them? Still I don't know why.

I guess that an hallucination or some shady thing would be the safest bet. Or as abstract said, a heavy implication that Solid is in game, but we don't know how will he look like for the time being.
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What if they were put through physical tests and produced the same results since they're, ya know, clones/twins and hence the same injuries/scars .... nah? carry on
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Jun 16 2015, 09:27:50 PM
Instead of getting cranky defensive about it, why don't you offer up your thoughts on why they would share the same exact scars. Without just stating its irrelevant because you choose to see it as irrelevant. We could probably move the conversation forward that way. Genuinely curious why they would have the same scars. Kojima is a little wacky in rationalizing these sorts of things, but I can't think of a way of wording why they would have the same scars.

I remember someone suggesting earlier that they would have to look exactly alike for some obtuse reason, so that no one could tell them apart. Perhaps so that Big Boss couldn't tell them apart. Seems baseless to me. Why?


Acid
 
Seems there is just no pleasing a few people who outright have it out for Solid.


LOL, yes its a regular inquisition.
Give me a reason why it wouldn't be Solid and Liquid. They might share the same scars from when they were born. Yes, people aren't born with scars, we have that. But these kids are clones. Plus like you said, Kojima does shit like this. Scars does not justify the ignorance of the twins.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:10:49 PM
Identical twins. Share the scars of their father. Big Boss narrates "Les Enfants Terrible... Zero called it" as the two are panned in camera. Two of them finally in a trailer, and all we're getting is flack for thinking it's Solid Snake? wtf, and when did this forum become so "It's not Solid because I don't want it to be"..

I see KoRnFlakes is going on a dislike tangent too, feel free to continue to smash those dislikes, but what proof do you even remotely have that it's NOT solid? Oh... the scars are identical, and they are wearing the same clothes... absolutely totally definitely can't be solid...

Unbelievable.
You know we could easily say that all you're doing is saying "It is Solid Snake because I want it to be."

And what evidence do you have that it is Solid Snake?

Don't criticize people for hitting the dislike post button when you just went on a rampage doing it yourself, that's just admitting you're a hypocrite.

Kazuhira
 
Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.


What striking evidence? None of you have given a single goddamn compelling argument to why they're both wearing the same clothes with the same necklace, the same hair style and such. And how in the absolute hell are the scars being the same on both of them irrelevant? Have you ever seen two people with completely identical scars? No because that doesn't happen.

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They could be made in the image of Big Boss, scars and all...


Right...they were born with scars that Big Boss didn't have. Not to mention the concept of having scars before you were even a fully developed fetus is utterly ridiculous anyway.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:25:48 PM
Kazuhira
Jun 16 2015, 09:17:45 PM
Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.
So you are going to dismiss the FACT they have identical scars, something which reasonably (to any normal person) not be possible, as nothing.

People aren't born with scars
People don't inherit scars
People who get scars tend to accidentally get them.

So tell me again why would David and Eli share the exact same scars? Don't dismiss it as stupid or whatever. I want a reason which isn't grasping at straws. I'm putting forward visual evidence that they are both the same person and you are arguing back by dismissing and saying it means nothing but not putting any reason forward for your side of the disagreement.
Okay, but why would there be two Eli's? If what you say is true, that if the 2nd twin is Eli and not David, then that makes the 2nd twin a clone of Eli. But if the twin was a clone, they wouldn't have identical scars now would they? On the other hand, if the two twins are actually Eli and David, then it is quite possible that they share similar injuries and disfigurements from the same incident. Now whether that incident is purposeful or accidental is unknown.

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CraigUK
Jun 16 2015, 09:25:48 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 09:17:45 PM
Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.
So you are going to dismiss the FACT they have identical scars, something which reasonably (to any normal person) not be possible, as nothing.

People aren't born with scars
People don't inherit scars
People who get scars tend to accidentally get them.

So tell me again why would David and Eli share the exact same scars? Don't dismiss it as stupid or whatever. I want a reason which isn't grasping at straws. I'm putting forward visual evidence that they are both the same person and you are arguing back by dismissing and saying it means nothing but not putting any reason forward for your side of the disagreement.
People aren't clones.

It is just a game! In a saga where cloning is normal, we have a guy with psychic powers, a spirit that controls a guy through an arm, a sniper that can became invisible...and you are bitching about some unnoticeable, irrelevant scars...

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dragonknight
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Jun 16 2015, 09:33:51 PM
CraigUK
Jun 16 2015, 09:25:48 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 09:17:45 PM
Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.
So you are going to dismiss the FACT they have identical scars, something which reasonably (to any normal person) not be possible, as nothing.

People aren't born with scars
People don't inherit scars
People who get scars tend to accidentally get them.

So tell me again why would David and Eli share the exact same scars? Don't dismiss it as stupid or whatever. I want a reason which isn't grasping at straws. I'm putting forward visual evidence that they are both the same person and you are arguing back by dismissing and saying it means nothing but not putting any reason forward for your side of the disagreement.
Okay, but why would there be two Eli's? If what you say is true, that if the 2nd twin is Eli and not David, then that makes the 2nd twin a clone of Eli. But if the twin was a clone, they wouldn't have identical scars now would they? On the other hand, if the two twins are actually Eli and David, then it is quite possible that they share similar injuries and disfigurements from the same incident. Now whether that incident is purposeful or accidental is unknown.
what if its Psycho Mantis using an illusion trick on Liquid?
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He got his wish though right. We are certainly talking (in a pleasant and reasonable tone lol) about it
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Maybe somebody purposely made the same scars on both of both of them for the same reason that they're dressed the same. To cause confusion?
Edited by Infiltrator, Jun 16 2015, 09:37:15 PM.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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