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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,523 Views)
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vlad06 just said him being in the game, not that the trailer pick was Solid and Liquid.
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Jun 16 2015, 09:33:38 PM
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Jun 16 2015, 09:10:49 PM
Identical twins. Share the scars of their father. Big Boss narrates "Les Enfants Terrible... Zero called it" as the two are panned in camera. Two of them finally in a trailer, and all we're getting is flack for thinking it's Solid Snake? wtf, and when did this forum become so "It's not Solid because I don't want it to be"..

I see KoRnFlakes is going on a dislike tangent too, feel free to continue to smash those dislikes, but what proof do you even remotely have that it's NOT solid? Oh... the scars are identical, and they are wearing the same clothes... absolutely totally definitely can't be solid...

Unbelievable.
You know we could easily say that all you're doing is saying "It is Solid Snake because I want it to be."

And what evidence do you have that it is Solid Snake?

Don't criticize people for hitting the dislike post button when you just went on a rampage doing it yourself, that's just admitting you're a hypocrite.

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Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.


What striking evidence? None of you have given a single goddamn compelling argument to why they're both wearing the same clothes with the same necklace, the same hair style and such. And how in the absolute hell are the scars being the same on both of them irrelevant? Have you ever seen two people with completely identical scars? No because that doesn't happen.

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They could be made in the image of Big Boss, scars and all...


Right...they were born with scars that Big Boss didn't have. Not to mention the concept of having scars before you were even a fully developed fetus is utterly ridiculous anyway.
I posted the evidence above, all you're going by is "they have the same scars". They are clones... Engineered. These are not simple identical twins born naturally. The evidence to suggest they are the twins is heavier than the weight of which you are giving your reasoning.

I honestly see no logical reasoning coming from you lately and you're simply basing the majority of your posts on absolute fluff, so yeah. I disliked them. As far as I'm concerned at least my dislikes are legit...
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AngryJoe has an interview and hands on time with the game tomorrow <3 Announced from twitter:

"Good news! Got metal gear solid v interview and hands on booked for tomorrow!"
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Jun 16 2015, 09:44:29 PM
It is stated in MGS1 that Liquid and Solid are identical. Like to water drops. The only difference is the hair colour and skin tone. Being identical means they shares scars and that kind of stuff.
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Jun 17 2015, 12:43:26 AM
I posted the evidence above, all you're going by is "they have the same scars". They are clones... Engineered. These are not simple identical twins born naturally. The evidence to suggest they are the twins is heavier than the weight of which you are giving your reasoning.

I honestly see no logical reasoning coming from you lately and you're simply basing the majority of your posts on absolute fluff, so yeah. I disliked them. As far as I'm concerned at least my dislikes are legit...
No, you posted assumptions based on nothing, not evidence.

So what if they're not naturally born? Clones still wouldn't have the scars of the person they were cloned from and there's no logical reason they'd have the exact same scars either.

Uhuh, right, logical reasoning, sure, like you'd know anything about that, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you one of the guys who still believes that Hayter is in the game despite the overwhelming about of actual evidence that says otherwise? And you are the one who completely lost their shit yesterday when it was pointed out to some people that what they heard as David Hayter, was actually James Horan? And I know for damn sure that you're the guy who keeps hounding me with all this "YOU HATE HAYTER YOU GOT A GRUDGE AGAINST HIM HUH!?!?!" nonsense almost every single time I mention his name despite the fact that I never once said I hated him. You're not exactly the poster child for logical reasoning there kiddo.
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'Logic'

'Clones born with the same scars'
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Jun 17 2015, 12:58:51 AM
'Logic'

'Clones born with the same scars'
Isn't that why the Paz clone has the same V scar? :P
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Dang, this argument is getting quite personal. LOL MGSForums losing its mind over Kojima's latest trailer of mindfuckery!

I think people need to relax and not take this information so seriously. I personally believe that the twins can either be David/Eli, or a phantom double of Eli. There's really not enough to go on. I only see the scars on the first twin and not the second, although that may be the quality of the shot or possibly the angle/shadow.

With the pairing of the twins, along with Big Boss speaking about Les Enfants Terribles, it is safe to assume that it is in reference to both Liquid and Solid.

Clearly Kojima made the scene unclear so as to arouse controversy and discussion, and it's working.

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When I see Paz, all thoughts of how she even survived (and whether that's really her) go out of the window. :blush:
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I really dont understand some people ,they hate the quiet is chico theory , grey fox is big boss theory but is totally logical to believe that Skull face is not real ?

Now im actually believing in the fake leak story details about time travel and shit ,maybe that is going to make more sense than this lol

I guess at some point big boss defeat skull face thinking that way he can "fix" things and change ,but skull face is going to hunt him in a similar way that the sorrow follow the boss , maybe he is going to be there making those annoying speeches about how big boss cant change and slowly big boss is going to start to listen skullface and make dumb things.

Now... the paz being alive ? ... i dont know , she have long hair and she looks a little big more like her PW version ,so my guess is just a flashback or is someone else that looks alot like her.

Edit : i wonder what happen with amanda ,cecile and strangelove , so far no cutscene or mention of them :/
Edited by FZJavier, Jun 17 2015, 02:38:10 AM.
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How are people misunderstanding others and then incoherently trying to explain.

Edit: Not that I'm completely sold SF isn't real, but you set yourself up for that. ^_^
Edited by blingmonkeys, Jun 17 2015, 02:51:50 AM.
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Man, the trailer was creepy in a awesome way.
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Jun 17 2015, 12:56:37 AM
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Jun 17 2015, 12:43:26 AM
I posted the evidence above, all you're going by is "they have the same scars". They are clones... Engineered. These are not simple identical twins born naturally. The evidence to suggest they are the twins is heavier than the weight of which you are giving your reasoning.

I honestly see no logical reasoning coming from you lately and you're simply basing the majority of your posts on absolute fluff, so yeah. I disliked them. As far as I'm concerned at least my dislikes are legit...
No, you posted assumptions based on nothing, not evidence.

So what if they're not naturally born? Clones still wouldn't have the scars of the person they were cloned from and there's no logical reason they'd have the exact same scars either.

Uhuh, right, logical reasoning, sure, like you'd know anything about that, correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you one of the guys who still believes that Hayter is in the game despite the overwhelming about of actual evidence that says otherwise? And you are the one who completely lost their shit yesterday when it was pointed out to some people that what they heard as David Hayter, was actually James Horan? And I know for damn sure that you're the guy who keeps hounding me with all this "YOU HATE HAYTER YOU GOT A GRUDGE AGAINST HIM HUH!?!?!" nonsense almost every single time I mention his name despite the fact that I never once said I hated him. You're not exactly the poster child for logical reasoning there kiddo.
Assumptions? So, "Identical twins. Share the scars of their father." are just assumptions??

So we're now ASSUMING that they are twins.. wtf? So all of the metal gear games they were never twins?!

Once again, KoRnFlakes. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp, but the fact that there are two identical twins, and the trailer showed two identical twins, logically speaking, that would be two identical twins... but apparently going by your twisted sense of 'logic' it's Eli x2 or some shit... O.K. :blink:

Is your profession in the medical field? this is a video game. There isn't enough documentation on cloning to dignify your statement that scars would not be part of the genetic makeup during cloning. However, going in line with the fact that the scars do seem to match that of daddy's? it's safe to say Kojima went this route for identity purpose, so as to identify these children as a part of Big Boss in the game. That much is an assumption, the fact that there are two of them and they are identical twins is not an assumption in the slightest however.

I believe that Hayter is in the game. Clearly the 3 sound files dug out of Ground Zeroes that has Hayter's voice work on them is an absolute figment of my imagination. Completely lost my shit? that you basically shit down someone elses throat because he (and many others) thought they heard David Hayter narrate a tiny and small portion of the trailer? no, I merely called you out on it. You don't need to say a word, your entire attitude is written all over your posts, it's very clear that you want some sort of redemption in proving people on this forum wrong.

And don't call me Kiddo, I'm probably twice your age and you more than likely could be my son and I'd probably disown you quicker than Big Boss and the twins ;)

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Jun 17 2015, 02:20:23 AM
When I see Paz, all thoughts of how she even survived (and whether that's really her) go out of the window. :blush:
I only care that she's alive :P.

In a more serious note, I can only think about hallucination or body double in GZ. Other than that? Not really. I don't see why would they clone Paz.
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There are 3 sound files in GZ with Hayter voice? Wow. I wasn't aware of that.
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Jun 17 2015, 03:18:02 AM
There are 3 sound files in GZ with Hayter voice? Wow. I wasn't aware of that.
Yeah, where are these files? If true, the implications are vast.

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Assumptions? So, "Identical twins. Share the scars of their father." are just assumptions??

So we're now ASSUMING that they are twins.. wtf? So all of the metal gear games they were never twins?!

Once again, KoRnFlakes. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp, but the fact that there are two identical twins, and the trailer showed two identical twins, logically speaking, that would be two identical twins... but apparently going by your twisted sense of 'logic' it's Eli x2 or some shit... O.K. :blink:


Oh come on dude, its obvious he meant its an assumption that they would inherit the same scars, not that they are twin clones. If you have any reason at all why they would inherit scars, do tell. If you have found some scientific explanation for why clones might have the same scars, then out with it. If you don't, its an assumption. There could be something there but I doubt it. Say for instance why do scars persist in the first place if pretty much every cell in the body, save maybe nerve cells, will have been replaced in seven years time? Yet the appearance of scars outlives every cell being replaced? I'm not an expert but the damage of scars could damage DNA to explain this. But that still couldn't be used to explain why the clones would have the same cars as their father?

To continue thinking out loud, something I read while google searching:

https://www.genome.gov/25020028

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Do cloned animals always look identical?

No. Clones do not always look identical. Although clones share the same genetic material, the environment also plays a big role in how an organism turns out.

For example, the first cat to be cloned, named Cc, is a female calico cat that looks very different from her mother. The explanation for the difference is that the color and pattern of the coats of cats cannot be attributed exclusively to genes. A biological phenomenon involving inactivation of the X chromosome (See sex chromosome) in every cell of the female cat (which has two X chromosomes) determines which coat color genes are switched off and which are switched on. The distribution of X inactivation, which seems to occur randomly, determines the appearance of the cat's coat.


On a related matter, if its going to be argued that both clones simply inherited the scars from their father because they have the same genes, then it needs to be established that that is possible scientifically. We couldn't just assume that Kojima made that to be the case, in fact unless there is some science behind the idea we should assume that they would not be given the same scars.

And even if it were possible for scars to be passed on through the cloning process, we could not use pictures of Big Boss in Ground Zeroes or The Phantom Pain to make the judgement of what scars they would inherit. We would have to go further back as close as possible to when The Patriots would have collected DNA from him. I don't see any of those scars on Peace Walker or Portable Ops Big Boss. In fact I don't even see the resemblance between MGSV Big Boss' scars and Eli's scars at all. But then you say its safe to assume that Kojima probably gave them the same scars as Big Boss, so as to identify them as clones of Big Boss. That makes no sense, we don't need them to have the same scars in order to know they are clones.

If Koijma were trying to make a symbolic point about the clones inheriting his scars, scars being a signifier of physical pain in the past, then it wouldn't make much sense because Big Boss was sane enough during Portable Ops and Peace Walker. The phantom pain and physical damage including the scars he has in MGSV, stems from the physical and psychological damage of Ground Zeroes and the early traumas of TPP.

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There are 3 sound files in GZ with Hayter voice? Wow. I wasn't aware of that.


I doubt it. He can provide a link for us.
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If you want to listen to the "David Hayter" sound files, just play Jamais vui.
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When I see Paz, all thoughts of how she even survived (and whether that's really her) go out of the window. :blush:
I only care that she's alive :P.

In a more serious note, I can only think about hallucination or body double in GZ. Other than that? Not really. I don't see why would they clone Paz.
It doesn't even have to be some massively outlandish reason for her return. It could just be another girl/woman that looks like Paz was given the same V scarring to fool Snake and the gang.

I'm loving how this latest trailer has us so utterly confused. It's like we'd forgotten just how strange some elements of MGSV have been. Fiery unicorn, flying fiery whale eating a helicopter... But show us two Elis or a character we thought dead and everyone loses their minds.
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How in the world are scars inherited?
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