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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
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no, there aren't. all those quotes everyone mentioned were james horan.

and everyone else on the solid snake theory, cool your jets. first and foremost, solid snake almost certainly will be in the game, and the twin images of eli were probably meant to foreshadow that, but no, that probably wasn't snake.

if you pay extra close attention, eli one is awake and conscious for a moment, then he closes his eyes, and as the camera pans to eli 2, he opens his eyes, like some kind of out of body mind trip or something. clones don't share identical scars unless they're all secretly clayface.

people are denying that the two eli's are solid and liquid. literally no one is denying snake is in the game, so everyone please cool your jets, and once again, please reframe from 2 word posts or getting too heated.

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Identical twins. Share the scars of their father. Big Boss narrates "Les Enfants Terrible... Zero called it" as the two are panned in camera. Two of them finally in a trailer, and all we're getting is flack for thinking it's Solid Snake? wtf, and when did this forum become so "It's not Solid because I don't want it to be"..

I see KoRnFlakes is going on a dislike tangent too, feel free to continue to smash those dislikes, but what proof do you even remotely have that it's NOT solid? Oh... the scars are identical, and they are wearing the same clothes... absolutely totally definitely can't be solid...

Unbelievable.
You know we could easily say that all you're doing is saying "It is Solid Snake because I want it to be."

And what evidence do you have that it is Solid Snake?

Don't criticize people for hitting the dislike post button when you just went on a rampage doing it yourself, that's just admitting you're a hypocrite.

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Two identical persons. Twins!

"Oh...it can't be Solid Snake because of the scars."

Really? After the striking evidence? That's completely irrelevant.


What striking evidence? None of you have given a single goddamn compelling argument to why they're both wearing the same clothes with the same necklace, the same hair style and such. And how in the absolute hell are the scars being the same on both of them irrelevant? Have you ever seen two people with completely identical scars? No because that doesn't happen.

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They could be made in the image of Big Boss, scars and all...


Right...they were born with scars that Big Boss didn't have. Not to mention the concept of having scars before you were even a fully developed fetus is utterly ridiculous anyway.
I posted the evidence above, all you're going by is "they have the same scars". They are clones... Engineered. These are not simple identical twins born naturally. The evidence to suggest they are the twins is heavier than the weight of which you are giving your reasoning.

I honestly see no logical reasoning coming from you lately and you're simply basing the majority of your posts on absolute fluff, so yeah. I disliked them. As far as I'm concerned at least my dislikes are legit...
Both Eli and David were in fact born naturally. With an egg and a woman's body, giving birth to them little freaks. I think solid will be in TTP but u guys are just being really hopeful. Let's be honest with ourselves here... You just really want it to be him so you refuse to hear what people have to say. Kinda like I refuse to believe Ocelot meows/claws in MGS3
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I personally don't care if it's him. It just makes sense that it's him. They are twins, I don't see why people are so passionately against it when everything pretty much points to the twins at the end being Solid & Liquid opposed to it NOT being them. But the scars talk is just all kinds of wrong lol.
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Assumptions? So, "Identical twins. Share the scars of their father." are just assumptions??

So we're now ASSUMING that they are twins.. wtf? So all of the metal gear games they were never twins?!

Once again, KoRnFlakes. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp, but the fact that there are two identical twins, and the trailer showed two identical twins, logically speaking, that would be two identical twins... but apparently going by your twisted sense of 'logic' it's Eli x2 or some shit... O.K. :blink:

Is your profession in the medical field? this is a video game. There isn't enough documentation on cloning to dignify your statement that scars would not be part of the genetic makeup during cloning. However, going in line with the fact that the scars do seem to match that of daddy's? it's safe to say Kojima went this route for identity purpose, so as to identify these children as a part of Big Boss in the game. That much is an assumption, the fact that there are two of them and they are identical twins is not an assumption in the slightest however.

I believe that Hayter is in the game. Clearly the 3 sound files dug out of Ground Zeroes that has Hayter's voice work on them is an absolute figment of my imagination. Completely lost my shit? that you basically shit down someone elses throat because he (and many others) thought they heard David Hayter narrate a tiny and small portion of the trailer? no, I merely called you out on it. You don't need to say a word, your entire attitude is written all over your posts, it's very clear that you want some sort of redemption in proving people on this forum wrong.

And don't call me Kiddo, I'm probably twice your age and you more than likely could be my son and I'd probably disown you quicker than Big Boss and the twins ;)
Yes saying that both Solid and Liquid would have the same scars "Cuz twinz lol" is an assumption, both of them having some scars is believable, but both of them having the exact same scars and in the exact same places? That's absolutely ridiculous.

Saying "They have those scars because Big Boss had scars and they're Big Boss clones." is an assumption, for one thing, before TPP, Big Boss didn't have facial scars, him having facial scars right now is irrelevant because he was cloned before he got facial scars, only way they'd "Inherit" his scars is if they just magically appeared on them at the same time Big Boss got them, and that's ridiculous.

Saying "They could've been brainwashed/mind wiped to forget." is an assumption, sure previous games had brainwashing, but saying it's happening here isn't much more than straw grasping for a reason to say that it is Liquid and Solid as if it were absolute 100% fact.

Is it really such a hard concept for you to grasp that they might not be Liquid and Solid and there's really just one Liquid and the other is him imagining what his clone twin would look like? Sure makes a lot more sense than both of them wearing the exact same outfit and having the exact same facial scars.

Three sound files in Ground Zeroes? The ones that sound distorted? The ones from the Jaimes Vu mission? Yeah...hate to burst your bubble but it was proven months ago that those were Sutherland's voice as Raiden for that mission, not Hayter's. You hearing Hayter is a figment of your imagination, just like everyone who hears Hayter when James Horan is speaking in this new trailer is in their heads.

Don't know what they call it where you're from, but where I"m from, going on a tirade spouting "Lol you hate Hayter, you got a grudge against him huh!?" if someone points out that something someone else thought was wrong is called losing your shit. Sure maybe I wasn't exactly polite about it, but I have no reason to with how absolutely sick I am of all the "DAVID HAYTER REALLY IS IN THE GAME EVEN THOUGH IT'S OVERWHELMING HOW MUCH SAYS HE'S NOT!" crap. Same way I'm sick of all the "Quiet=Gender bending Chico." crap that I'll just say how stupid it is instead of trying to reason with the lunatics who keep pressing it.

So you admit that you saying that I hate Hayter and have a grudge against him is an assumption of yours that's based on nothing? OK then. Here's something, I don't think Peace Walker is that good of a game. You going to say I hate it just because of that?
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Assumptions? So, "Identical twins. Share the scars of their father." are just assumptions??

So we're now ASSUMING that they are twins.. wtf? So all of the metal gear games they were never twins?!

Once again, KoRnFlakes. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp, but the fact that there are two identical twins, and the trailer showed two identical twins, logically speaking, that would be two identical twins... but apparently going by your twisted sense of 'logic' it's Eli x2 or some shit... O.K. :blink:

Is your profession in the medical field? this is a video game. There isn't enough documentation on cloning to dignify your statement that scars would not be part of the genetic makeup during cloning. However, going in line with the fact that the scars do seem to match that of daddy's? it's safe to say Kojima went this route for identity purpose, so as to identify these children as a part of Big Boss in the game. That much is an assumption, the fact that there are two of them and they are identical twins is not an assumption in the slightest however.

I believe that Hayter is in the game. Clearly the 3 sound files dug out of Ground Zeroes that has Hayter's voice work on them is an absolute figment of my imagination. Completely lost my shit? that you basically shit down someone elses throat because he (and many others) thought they heard David Hayter narrate a tiny and small portion of the trailer? no, I merely called you out on it. You don't need to say a word, your entire attitude is written all over your posts, it's very clear that you want some sort of redemption in proving people on this forum wrong.

And don't call me Kiddo, I'm probably twice your age and you more than likely could be my son and I'd probably disown you quicker than Big Boss and the twins ;)
Yes saying that both Solid and Liquid would have the same scars "Cuz twinz lol" is an assumption, both of them having some scars is believable, but both of them having the exact same scars and in the exact same places? That's absolutely ridiculous.

Saying "They have those scars because Big Boss had scars and they're Big Boss clones." is an assumption, for one thing, before TPP, Big Boss didn't have facial scars, him having facial scars right now is irrelevant because he was cloned before he got facial scars, only way they'd "Inherit" his scars is if they just magically appeared on them at the same time Big Boss got them, and that's ridiculous.

Saying "They could've been brainwashed/mind wiped to forget." is an assumption, sure previous games had brainwashing, but saying it's happening here isn't much more than straw grasping for a reason to say that it is Liquid and Solid as if it were absolute 100% fact.

Is it really such a hard concept for you to grasp that they might not be Liquid and Solid and there's really just one Liquid and the other is him imagining what his clone twin would look like? Sure makes a lot more sense than both of them wearing the exact same outfit and having the exact same facial scars.

Three sound files in Ground Zeroes? The ones that sound distorted? The ones from the Jaimes Vu mission? Yeah...hate to burst your bubble but it was proven months ago that those were Sutherland's voice as Raiden for that mission, not Hayter's. You hearing Hayter is a figment of your imagination, just like everyone who hears Hayter when James Horan is speaking in this new trailer is in their heads.

Don't know what they call it where you're from, but where I"m from, going on a tirade spouting "Lol you hate Hayter, you got a grudge against him huh!?" if someone points out that something someone else thought was wrong is called losing your shit. Sure maybe I wasn't exactly polite about it, but I have no reason to with how absolutely sick I am of all the "DAVID HAYTER REALLY IS IN THE GAME EVEN THOUGH IT'S OVERWHELMING HOW MUCH SAYS HE'S NOT!" crap. Same way I'm sick of all the "Quiet=Gender bending Chico." crap that I'll just say how stupid it is instead of trying to reason with the lunatics who keep pressing it.

So you admit that you saying that I hate Hayter and have a grudge against him is an assumption of yours that's based on nothing? OK then. Here's something, I don't think Peace Walker is that good of a game. You going to say I hate it just because of that?
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You have a very construed mind if you automatically jumped to the conclusion "It's Eli imagining himself because he just can't get enough of himself he needs moar Eli".. I'm sorry. No. When clearly, once again, Big Boss is 'referring' to the twins. I'm leaning on,... the twins.

and once again, it's not far fetched at all that brainwashing/memory loss is a huge part of MGS, so I'm reaching at fucking straws? :D

That's not Sutherland, and please point me in the direction of your 'proven' fact on this. Sure, no one has directly come out and said that was David Hayter either, but I'm not deaf. It's the most tangible thread in the whole debacle. You'd think a Metal Gear fan would be encouraging instead of running a rampage campaign against it, but hey, that's none of my business.

Also, please take your time in going through my history of my posts where I blatantly attack you as you so eloquently put it with "LAWL YOU HATE HAYTER..." and such. I never once attacked you, I've tried asking you many times what your reasoning for the sheer lack of any fucks given about David Hayter, and quite frankly, your replies are either none existent or atrocious and demeaning.

You may not see it, but you're not the most friendly around here and you're degrading in your replies to posts. I'm happy to continue this discussion in PM, but I'm done with all of this here.



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Why are people going crazy over two Elis when we should be talking about the hot naked clone of Pacifica?
Because nobody really seems to care about Paz/Pacifica.
Call me crazy but tying to figure out how a naked hot clone was created in such a short time sounds a lot better than people trying to prove that clones can inherit nonexistent scars. :roy:

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I found it quite surprising that some people are not letting the whole “Liquid/ Solid” topic go. It is so obvious it’s just a troll pulled by Kojima.

I know people like to believe what they want to believe, but isn’t it too obvious to not to look at the simple facts that there is no way that could be Solid Snake?
It’s 2 Eli together, two of them have the 100% same resemblance, twins are not like that, it might happened to other games (being lazy to not build a new model so just use the same facial model), even if there is going to be Solid Snake in this game, Kojima will NEVER EVER use the same facial and body model as Eli's, Kojima Productions just won’t make such mistakes, because it’s common knowledge that twins are not copies with 100% likeness on details (and please... statements like "they are twins so they must have the same scars" are just nonsense). I actually don’t even think 2 of them are virtually being real at the same time. It’s a trippy scene, Eli looks half awake as if he was in a hypnosis condition, it could be a dream, or some kind of metaphor.

Kojima is a smart guy, he knows fans are longing for Solid Snake, it’s just a classic trailer tease, a fog screen. Yes I know Big Boss was saying “Les Enfants Terribles” at the background, but it just a voice over, it actually doesn't mean anything, a clone like Eli alone could represent the project already. The project was being strongly hinted, but it just doesn’t mean that kid with Eli is Solid, it’s just a “reflection” of his own.
And can we move on with this topic? There are so much more interesting topics to talk about, such as what is going on with Kaz’s eyes (I’m also sure he ain’t blind) or Is that blonde girl really Paz, etc.
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I found it quite surprising that some people are not letting the whole “Liquid/ Solid” topic go. It is so obvious it’s just a troll pulled by Kojima.

I know people like to believe what they believe, but isn’t it too obvious to not to look at the simple facts that there is no way that could be Solid Snake?
It’s 2 Eli together, two of them have the 100% same resemblance, twins are not like that, it might happened to other games (being lazy to not build a new model so just use the same face), even if there is going to be Solid Snake in this game, Kojima will NEVER EVER use the same facial and body model as Eli, Kojima Productions just won’t make such mistakes, because it’s common knowledge that twins doesn’t mean copies with 100% likeness on details (don't even get me started it with the whole "they are twins so they have the same scars" nonsense). I actually don’t even think 2 of them are virtually being real. It’s a trippy scene, Eli looks half awake as if he was in a hypnosis condition, it could be a dream, or some kind of metaphor.

Kojima is a smart guy, he knows fans are longing for Solid Snake, it’s just a classic trailer tease, a fog screen. Yes I know Big Boss was saying “Les Enfants Terribles” at the background, but it just a voice over, it actually doesn't mean anything, a clone like Eli alone could represent the project already. The project was being strongly hinted, but it just doesn’t mean that kid with Eli is Solid, it’s just a “reflection” of his own.
And can we move on this topic? There are much more interesting topics to talk about, such as what is going on with Kaz’s eyes (I’m also sure he ain’t blind) or Is that blonde girl really Paz, etc.
Someone who makes sense and ain't being pissy about it? MADNESS!!!

But yeah, can we please move on to Paz 2.0, that was way more baffling.
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Either this is not Paz or GZ didn't end the same way we saw it ending.
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I found it quite surprising that some people are not letting the whole “Liquid/ Solid” topic go. It is so obvious it’s just a troll pulled by Kojima.

I know people like to believe what they believe, but isn’t it too obvious to not to look at the simple facts that there is no way that could be Solid Snake?
It’s 2 Eli together, two of them have the 100% same resemblance, twins are not like that, it might happened to other games (being lazy to not build a new model so just use the same face), even if there is going to be Solid Snake in this game, Kojima will NEVER EVER use the same facial and body model as Eli, Kojima Productions just won’t make such mistakes, because it’s common knowledge that twins doesn’t mean copies with 100% likeness on details (don't even get me started it with the whole "they are twins so they have the same scars" nonsense). I actually don’t even think 2 of them are virtually being real. It’s a trippy scene, Eli looks half awake as if he was in a hypnosis condition, it could be a dream, or some kind of metaphor.

Kojima is a smart guy, he knows fans are longing for Solid Snake, it’s just a classic trailer tease, a fog screen. Yes I know Big Boss was saying “Les Enfants Terribles” at the background, but it just a voice over, it actually doesn't mean anything, a clone like Eli alone could represent the project already. The project was being strongly hinted, but it just doesn’t mean that kid with Eli is Solid, it’s just a “reflection” of his own.
And can we move on this topic? There are much more interesting topics to talk about, such as what is going on with Kaz’s eyes (I’m also sure he ain’t blind) or Is that blonde girl really Paz, etc.
Someone who makes sense and ain't being pissy about it? MADNESS!!!

But yeah, can we please move on to Paz 2.0, that was way more baffling.
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Actually I don't really think that's Paz, it could be her clone or something.
First of all she looks pretty young, about the same age as Paz when she died in GZ. But she doesn't look entirely like Paz from GZ, and Paz would be in her early 30s if she did survived from GZ, and this blonde looks like a teenager.

2nd, during the scene she getting examined by someone that showing she just woke up from a coma or something, could be some medical surgery, clone? experimental procedure? ummm...
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If she's a clone, I wouldn't understand why she has the V-shaped stitches. Other than being sent by Zero/Skullface as a message.

Perhaps cryopreservation? Even if it's too high tech for such era, we've already kinda seen that MGS doesn't mind anachronism.

Also, why is her abdomen still bloody? Perhaps she underwent surgery to replace the lost organs in GZ (In case she's the real Paz and not a clone)? Or They just made sure that the clone Paz wasn't rigged like the original one?
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The only theory I have is that GZ as we saw it was wrong, and in this game, we'll play out the real events of GZ where Paz will survive.

But even that doesn't make sense. Isn't Ocelot and Big Boss looking at her?
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The female cyborg things all look like they share the same face which might have something to do with it. Why was L.E.T abandoned, usurped by another technology?

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Also, why is her abdomen still bloody? Perhaps she underwent surgery to replace the lost organs in GZ (In case she's the real Paz and not a clone)? Or They just made sure that the clone Paz wasn't rigged like the original one?
It's hard to say but she's on a medical table there so she's probably going to be/has been opened up again :/
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Perhaps Ocelot can take part in the procedure this time around.
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Here's the full uncut 17min original track "Elegia" by New Order (1985)

the track's name is Elegia,and "New Order" is the name of band that performed it
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If she's a clone, I wouldn't understand why she has the V-shaped stitches. Other than being sent by Zero/Skullface as a message.

Perhaps cryopreservation? Even if it's too high tech for such era, we've already kinda seen that MGS doesn't mind anachronism.

Also, why is her abdomen still bloody? Perhaps she underwent surgery to replace the lost organs in GZ (In case she's the real Paz and not a clone)? Or They just made sure that the clone Paz wasn't rigged like the original one?
Wow, surprised no one thought of cryopreservation. If she didn't die at the end of GZ, that would explain why she looks completely unchanged, right down to the same blood spills. Question is why she was preserved. Keep her alive until they can get organs to transplant back into her (remember she had quite a few organs removed)? Not to mention she still has info on Zero, though I wonder how useful that would be 9 years later, not to mention she looks pretty lost, like an amnesiac.
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We don't know that the v-shaped wound we saw in the trailer actually belongs to Paz. It could be someone else Skull Face did the same thing to.
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