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New trailer at E3 2015 confirmed.
Topic Started: Jun 10 2015, 04:25:26 PM (50,519 Views)
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It's not Paz. It's Sniper Wolf.
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Love that it has come to a post that reads "Glove in question" lol.

In a game of guess the thread, in a million years you would not link that with a video game lol!
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Jun 17 2015, 10:22:07 PM
Love that it has come to a post that reads "Glove in question" lol.

In a game of guess the thread, in a million years you would not link that with a video game lol!
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Yep, looks like Big Boss's gloves.

I dunno why I said Ocelot's gloves,... my bad. Still with that info it's safe to assume the previous clip with Ocelot and Big Boss standing over a person with the V shaped scar on their stomach is the same event as Big Boss waving his hand in front of Paz's face.

Now I just can't figure out why...

I get that there is some experiments going on with either Cipher or XOF creating the 'Skulls' and looking like walking zombies, but Paz was blown into tiny pieces... irreparable as far as I'm concerned. So this event definitely has me scratching my head more than the two Eli's at the end of the trailer.
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If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween. Hell, Snake intentionally dyed his hair from blonde to brown so that he wouldn't be mistaken for Liquid.

There is a reason for why Solid and Liquid resemble Big Boss so much, so I really don't understand where all these contrived accusations of "nonsense" coming from. If you create a clone from another person, they are going to resemble the original down to every, single, minute detail. You can't just nitpick and say, "Oh, Solid has Big Boss' blue eyes, but Liquid has green", because that's not how it works in MGS, and saying otherwise is pretty ignorant of what has been portrayed throughout the series thus far.


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Jun 17 2015, 11:11:55 PM
If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween. Hell, Snake intentionally dyed his hair from blonde to brown so that he wouldn't be mistaken for Liquid.

There is a reason for why Solid and Liquid resemble Big Boss so much, so I really don't understand where all these contrived accusations of "nonsense" coming from. If you create a clone from another person, they are going to resemble the original down to every, single, minute detail. You can't just nitpick and say, "Oh, Solid has Big Boss' blue eyes, but Liquid has green", because that's not how it works in MGS, and saying otherwise is pretty ignorant of what has been portrayed throughout the series thus far.


I think the twins are likely Solid & Liquid. But people don't inherit scars, and BB wouldn't have had the scars we see now by the time they were birthed anyway.


So we can pretty much confirm that the Paz scene is not a flashback since the gloves are from a suit BB has made in TPP. I really have no clue what to think about it.
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Jun 17 2015, 11:11:55 PM
If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween. Hell, Snake intentionally dyed his hair from blonde to brown so that he wouldn't be mistaken for Liquid.

There is a reason for why Solid and Liquid resemble Big Boss so much, so I really don't understand where all these contrived accusations of "nonsense" coming from. If you create a clone from another person, they are going to resemble the original down to every, single, minute detail. You can't just nitpick and say, "Oh, Solid has Big Boss' blue eyes, but Liquid has green", because that's not how it works in MGS, and saying otherwise is pretty ignorant of what has been portrayed throughout the series thus far.


To back up your post, which I think is absolutely sensational btw, I think a big problem is that people are trying to justify their opinions (which is all that either side of the argument is at this stage) with reasoning and reality.

However, this is an ironic approach because this world has no reasoning and reality. As others mentioned, we're talking about a person who has a horn that grows from his forehead, a bionic arm, a character who can make black paint appear on her face, walking dinosaur like robots in the battlefield, and the undermentioned this time around Psycho Mantis!!! To name but a few! The fact that a few scars are the same - on an identical clone one might add - seems a point that you cannot confidently pin an argument on.

Well done sir, at adding some unreality to the situation, and let's get to the FACTS that there were two children (we don't actually KNOW that Eli is liquid...) as Big Boss says Les Enfants Terribles (which we KNOW to be Solid and Liquid).

Is this a clear enough point...?
Edited by Scott_HKR, Jun 17 2015, 11:24:38 PM.
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Jun 17 2015, 11:11:55 PM
If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween. Hell, Snake intentionally dyed his hair from blonde to brown so that he wouldn't be mistaken for Liquid.

There is a reason for why Solid and Liquid resemble Big Boss so much, so I really don't understand where all these contrived accusations of "nonsense" coming from. If you create a clone from another person, they are going to resemble the original down to every, single, minute detail. You can't just nitpick and say, "Oh, Solid has Big Boss' blue eyes, but Liquid has green", because that's not how it works in MGS, and saying otherwise is pretty ignorant of what has been portrayed throughout the series thus far.


I'm not going to pretend I know anything about science. I can't find anything saying that scratches and scars are saved in your genetic makeup. I have two kids and they don't have my scratches and scars.

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Unless anyone knows all the ins and outs of genes and cloning, probably Ballisticola... know-it-all..., all we can do until the game is released is speculate.

I don't think Kojima would throw something as important as Solid and Liquid being together in a trailer.
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If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween


Jesus people, scars don't miraculously become part of your DNA. What I'm surprised about is that no one brought up the fact Liquid's blonde hair was the result of being bleached by the intense sun rays of his time in the middle east and the fact that Solid cut his hair, NOT dyed it.
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Get 'em, Rex!

also, on hair dye...

The Snake Soup: Myth: Snake dyes his hair. Fact: No he fucking does not.

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I really don't know why anyone would think that those scars were written into his DNA. Solid and Liquid aren't even a genetic match of each other or Big Boss. Considering the two Eli's are identical in terms of hair color, hair style, scars, clothing and accessories, it would be a good bet that they have the same accent, right?

Big Boss: I'm not supposed to meet you for another decade, wtf.
Solid Snake: u wot m8
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Jun 17 2015, 11:48:31 PM
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If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween


Jesus people, scars don't miraculously become part of your DNA. What I'm surprised about is that no one brought up the fact Liquid's blonde hair was the result of being bleached by the intense sun rays of his time in the middle east and the fact that Solid cut his hair, NOT dyed it.
My mistake on the hair dying and cutting confusion.

That said, for what other reason would the two twins share identical scars in the same spot, unless someone went through the effort of putting them there and making the two scars look exactly alike.
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Scars and other such things aren't hereditary. If they were, all of Big Boss's kids would have no left eyes either

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Jun 17 2015, 11:48:31 PM
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If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween


Jesus people, scars don't miraculously become part of your DNA. What I'm surprised about is that no one brought up the fact Liquid's blonde hair was the result of being bleached by the intense sun rays of his time in the middle east and the fact that Solid cut his hair, NOT dyed it.
My mistake on the hair dying and cutting confusion.

That said, for what other reason would the two twins share identical scars in the same spot, unless someone went through the effort of putting them there and making the two scars look exactly alike.
Help me understand your logic. Are you saying everything about Big Boss, including scars, is saved in the genetic makeup and carried over to cloning?

If so, why does Eli have two eyes and no horn? If a scratch can get get carried over in a clone, then why doesn't a missing eye? Or a missing arm? Or 108 scattered pieces of metal and teeth and bone?

Edit: Black King was faster and made my post redundant.
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Scars and other such things aren't hereditary. If they were, all of Big Boss's kids would have no left eyes either
Big Boss lost his right eye, I am going to have to confiscate your MGS Fan card.
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Jun 18 2015, 12:13:32 AM
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If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same. Why? Because they are identical on a genetic level. This explains why in MGS1, Snake was described by everyone who saw him as looking almost exactly like Liquid, from his facial features, to his eye color, and everything inbetween


Jesus people, scars don't miraculously become part of your DNA. What I'm surprised about is that no one brought up the fact Liquid's blonde hair was the result of being bleached by the intense sun rays of his time in the middle east and the fact that Solid cut his hair, NOT dyed it.
My mistake on the hair dying and cutting confusion.

That said, for what other reason would the two twins share identical scars in the same spot, unless someone went through the effort of putting them there and making the two scars look exactly alike.
Help me understand your logic. Are you saying everything about Big Boss, including scars, is saved in the genetic makeup and carried over to cloning?

If so, why does Eli have two eyes and no horn? If a scratch can get get carried over in a clone, then why doesn't a missing eye? Or a missing arm? Or 108 scattered pieces of metal and teeth and bone?

Edit: Black King was faster and made my post redundant.
Read what I say very carefully.

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If the two clones of Big Boss did indeed possess his scars, then the scars would in fact, look completely the same.


I was never operating under the assumption that the clones inherited his scars, I was operating on the supposition that if the scars were inherited through Big Boss' DNA then the scars would look the same, and be in the same spot.

The point of my post was to say that if the scars, were in fact, inherited then the two clones would inherit them in the same way with the same physical resemblance.



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Jun 17 2015, 10:18:52 PM
It's not Paz. It's Sniper Wolf.
I was thinking about this myself. Paz is DEAD - DED! What if it's a young Sniper Wolf?

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You'll see, that is a particular shot... same scars and dress, blonde, there aren't two enfants but one here, Kojima cannot introduce Solid Snake in this ambiguous way, he's gonna be a surprise like Jaeger

also notice when Liquid closes his eyes... suddenly the second Liquid opens his, "les enfants terribles" -> Liquid quote so Liquid trailer, Liquid 100% confirm
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