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Is Big Boss getting the "Old Boy" treatment?
Topic Started: Jun 17 2015, 09:00:49 PM (1,058 Views)
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Has anyone ever seen the film "Old Boy"? In a film about revenge a man is locked up for several years and undergoes hypnosis when he goes to sleep.

My point in brining this up is that with BB being in a coma for 9 years and most likely in a patriot/cypher controlled hospital Zero has had many opportunities to do any number of things to BB.

Here are some things Zero could have done.

1. Introduce trigger words into BB's mind that will cause him to perform a task whenever he hears the word being spoken. For instance "Would You Kindly". ;)

2. Another thing is maybe program BB to have hallucinations if he finds himself in a situation where he might be able to alter Zero's plans. Any time BB gets close to finding some truth BAMB here comes Demon Volgin or some other terrorizing creature to derail BB.

Would be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this.
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So basically using auto suggestive programming to influence Big Boss' subconscious mind. It's plausible and certainly not outside the realm of possibility. Considering that Psycho Mantis attends the University of Parapsychology in Leningrad, it lends to the idea of paranormal/psychic and latent/subconscious research being present in the game.

It all comes down to who has control of the hospital in Cyprus, and who watches over Big Boss. Whether it's Cypher or another entity is uncertain.

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I think it was Python who spotted the hexagonal tiles in the hospital scene, hexagons are a symbol used time and time again throughout the series to represent the Patriot's control - sort of like a honeycomb (trap). Also, I just observed that these tiles are black and white, perhaps alluding to duality of some sorts, maybe a very subtle hint to the whole BB/ SF shenanigans.

In terms of Old Boy. My goodness if this game follows suit, it will be cray. Maybe even too cray for Kojima's standards. But yeah 9 years is a great length of time for Zero to complete a few projects on him at least!
Edited by blingmonkeys, Jun 17 2015, 11:14:35 PM.
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*eyes Eli in a concerned manner* Er...

But yeah, I see what you mean. I lean a bit away from the idea that Boss is being controlled, if only because it could make his descent into madness and evil less a result of his own emotions and more due to an outside influence he had no control over.

Certainly not counting that theory out, though. I suspect mind control will appear in at least some fashion in TPP.
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In many ways I really hope that my theory is not correct. I would rather the game not play on everything being done according to Zero's will. I know the guy is the Darth Sidious of the MGS series but I want BB's choices to be his and not laid out by a puppet master.

The MGS2 Plant chapter was all for the S3 plan. I was ok with that but if I recall we later found out that the Shadow Moses incident was also orchestrated by Zero. Something with it was all suggested that Liquid go through with the rebellion and take over the island if I remember. And don't even get me started on MGS4.

So if you look back at Snake Eater it was one of the only times that someone wasn't behind the scenes pulling the strings of the protagonist. I want to see BB making Zero sweat from all of the chaos a mad BB is causing.
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Sorry to bring up the 'Big Boss isn't big boss' idea again, but what if this is about a person that Big Boss has held responsible for what happened and been placed in his situation as an act of revenge?
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Jun 17 2015, 11:25:57 PM
Sorry to bring up the 'Big Boss isn't big boss' idea again, but what if this is about a person that Big Boss has held responsible for what happened and been placed in his situation as an act of revenge?
Well the only people that come to mind for that roll are Paz, Chico and Huey (because we see him being tortured/questioned).

I would rule out Paz and Huey for obvious reasons and personally if we are playing as Chico or someone else instead of BB I am going to break my disk in half at how fucking stupid that would be. That's like saying if I dressed in Michael Jordan's clothes and put on his pair of Nikes I would obtain his powers and be like Mike. Just disguise yourself as the greatest soldier that ever lived does not put you on par with the greatest soldier that ever lived.
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Jun 17 2015, 09:00:49 PM
Has anyone ever seen the film "Old Boy"? In a film about revenge a man is locked up for several years and undergoes hypnosis when he goes to sleep.

My point in brining this up is that with BB being in a coma for 9 years and most likely in a patriot/cypher controlled hospital Zero has had many opportunities to do any number of things to BB.

Here are some things Zero could have done.

1. Introduce trigger words into BB's mind that will cause him to perform a task whenever he hears the word being spoken. For instance "Would You Kindly". ;)

2. Another thing is maybe program BB to have hallucinations if he finds himself in a situation where he might be able to alter Zero's plans. Any time BB gets close to finding some truth BAMB here comes Demon Volgin or some other terrorizing creature to derail BB.

Would be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on this.
He definitely seems to be getting mentally reprogrammed in a way. But I see Skull Face being the one that completely manipulates Big Boss in the state he's in. I think that might be part of the reason why Big Boss is so disgusted in the trailer. He might be realizing he's become a mere puppet yet again.
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While I like the theory alot, I'm sure if The Patriots found Big Boss in a coma, Zero would have instantly snatched his body and done lord knows what to him. Clone him, whipe his memory and make him 'loyal', basically anything to get his friend back to his cause.
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Jun 17 2015, 11:33:51 PM
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Jun 17 2015, 11:25:57 PM
Sorry to bring up the 'Big Boss isn't big boss' idea again, but what if this is about a person that Big Boss has held responsible for what happened and been placed in his situation as an act of revenge?
Well the only people that come to mind for that roll are Paz, Chico and Huey (because we see him being tortured/questioned).

I would rule out Paz and Huey for obvious reasons and personally if we are playing as Chico or someone else instead of BB I am going to break my disk in half at how fucking stupid that would be. That's like saying if I dressed in Michael Jordan's clothes and put on his pair of Nikes I would obtain his powers and be like Mike. Just disguise yourself as the greatest soldier that ever lived does not put you on par with the greatest soldier that ever lived.
So you're open to him being programmed, just ...not programmed very much? Fair enough.
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But maybe it's a better plan to give BB some free will. Maybe there are some things Zero would need BB to do secretly - again an agent unaware of being an agent.
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Jun 17 2015, 11:54:23 PM
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Jun 17 2015, 11:33:51 PM
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Jun 17 2015, 11:25:57 PM
Sorry to bring up the 'Big Boss isn't big boss' idea again, but what if this is about a person that Big Boss has held responsible for what happened and been placed in his situation as an act of revenge?
Well the only people that come to mind for that roll are Paz, Chico and Huey (because we see him being tortured/questioned).

I would rule out Paz and Huey for obvious reasons and personally if we are playing as Chico or someone else instead of BB I am going to break my disk in half at how fucking stupid that would be. That's like saying if I dressed in Michael Jordan's clothes and put on his pair of Nikes I would obtain his powers and be like Mike. Just disguise yourself as the greatest soldier that ever lived does not put you on par with the greatest soldier that ever lived.
So you're open to him being programmed, just ...not programmed very much? Fair enough.
More of I think it is very possible that his mind will be tampered with by Zero while BB is comatose.

But I do not except that BB can be duplicated in his physical abilities just by someone trying to look like him. That idea is fucking stupid. Chico nor anyone else for that matter can accomplish the things that BB can by undergoing plastic surgery or facial reconstruction to look like Big Boss. If that is the case I will start wearing an eye patch and start my own private military.
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What are 'physical abilities'? Aren't they driven by the brain? His body doesn't look anything special when he wakes up.
The last game in the series was about someone's mind being recreated in a machine by feeding it mission data.
Anyway sorry if I sidetracked your topic.
Edited by Jim Houseman, Jun 18 2015, 12:12:59 AM.
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Jun 18 2015, 12:10:31 AM
What are 'physical abilities'? Aren't they driven by the brain? His body doesn't look anything special when he wakes up.
The last game in the series was about someone's mind being recreated in a machine by feeding it mission data.
Anyway sorry if I sidetracked your topic.
No need for apologies. But I feel that someone simple impersonating does not give them the skill and experience needed to be able to accomplish what BB can do. whether it be taking out a Metal Gear or infiltrating an enemy fortress. The idea not only seems like a lazy way of writing in a twist to the game but also cheapens my opinion of BB if any average Joe can be made to be like him.
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Zero AND Skull Face will definitely manipulate BB. But I doubt it'll be while he's in a coma. However, if that is a Patriot hospital, it's very possible
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What if Ishmael is Ciper agent?(so he can watch over Boss for 9 years)
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Jun 18 2015, 02:39:44 AM
What if Ishmael is Ciper agent?(so he can watch over Boss for 9 years)
That would make sense.
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