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Could Ground Zeroes not actually have happened?
Topic Started: Jun 22 2015, 07:54:41 PM (3,081 Views)
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Given the recent theories that fans have seen from the trailers that Skullface may not be real. Plus the fact that it appears Paz is alive. I started wondering if Ground Zeroes actually happened. We know all the people big boss is working with have worked with zero in the past or are currently working for him. Ocelot, kaz and Paz. So I wonder if GZ was something big boss experienced in order to be manipulated. Maybe one of the people (ocelot) is doing the manipulating. Maybe we think that Xof attacks mother base and poses as Cypher when it's really ocelot posing as Xof. When he in fact is working for cypher. The part that still puts a wrench in even the current story the way we know it, is how is big boss on his path to evil but then regains command of foxhound before outer heaven??
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Maybe it happened differently and we put the pieces together playing TPP as his memories come back bit by bit. Or maybe not. Maybe MGSV is a whole lot more straight forward than we all think. All i know is GZ must have more to it. Sure it's the plot point that sets things in motion, but i see there being big surprises surrounding the event that we might not even learn about until the very end. I'm looking forward to that the most honestly.

Either way, kojima is trying his best to throw us off with the trailers. Wich isn't actually hard to do.
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It happened.

There is nothing confusing about Big Boss rejoining Foxhound. All he has to do is say, "I give up, you win" and Zero welcomes back his friend and pseudo-partner.
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Jun 22 2015, 08:15:59 PM
It happened.

There is nothing confusing about Big Boss rejoining Foxhound. All he has to do is say, "I give up, you win" and Zero welcomes back his friend and pseudo-partner.
It's not confusing... I just don't see big boss doing so without the intent to back stab him.

I could however see Zero saving big boss and then big boss reconsiders taking command of foxhound. But then big boss learns of something that happened that zero did and turns his back on him
Edited by ZhasCOME2, Jun 22 2015, 08:42:43 PM.
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Ground Zeroes is actually P.T. :o Think about it ;)
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Paz alive what wat
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Or maybe it was a.... VR.... No idk at this point, any things possible. I don't understand why Katz said, "the rain was coming down just as hard the day we met Paz, I can't believe we ever bought that cover story." But at the end of peace Walker he flat out tells snake, "I knew who they were all along." Maybe someone can explain that to me? Lol.
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Jun 22 2015, 11:36:32 PM
Or maybe it was a.... VR.... No idk at this point, any things possible. I don't understand why Katz said, "the rain was coming down just as hard the day we met Paz, I can't believe we ever bought that cover story." But at the end of peace Walker he flat out tells snake, "I knew who they were all along." Maybe someone can explain that to me? Lol.
I don't think Kaz wanted to bring up the fact that it's his fault Big Boss has to infiltrate Camp Omega in the first place. So instead of saying, "Hey Boss, remember that time I sold you out to that British guy with the major man crush on you?" he said, "Man... that Paz is a bitch, huh?"
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Jun 22 2015, 11:43:43 PM
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all out.

Tbh, right now, i wouldnt count out any theory about GZ. After seeing Paz (?) on the newest trailer for some funny reason when i think about GZ, a specific mission's title comes to mind...Deja vu.
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Anything is possible in these games, but IMO GZ happened.

Paz being in the latest trailer doesn't change my mind on that at all; I still believe she's dead.
Edited by Webbie, Jun 25 2015, 02:54:22 AM.
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all out.

GZ could easily be used to have a kind of twist we dont expect.
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Considering paz has the exact same scar freshly stitched in the clip is it not most likely a flashback of her before her hair is cut and she is thrown in the boiler room.
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Camp Omega is being revisited in TPP. That's enough for me to believe GZ happened in the story. Also, I'm thinking selling a prequel and what some people consider a demo for $40 and then saying "whoopsies, the prequel didn't happen" wouldn't roll too well.
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Jun 25 2015, 04:09:16 AM
Camp Omega is being revisited in TPP. That's enough for me to believe GZ happened in the story. Also, I'm thinking selling a prequel and what some people consider a demo for $40 and then saying "whoopsies, the prequel didn't happen" wouldn't roll too well.
Yeah, kinda surprising people entertain this idea. It would be really shitty story telling, and the whole theme of revenge wouldn't mean anything for TPP.
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Jun 22 2015, 08:15:59 PM
It happened.

There is nothing confusing about Big Boss rejoining Foxhound. All he has to do is say, "I give up, you win" and Zero welcomes back his friend and pseudo-partner.
Him rejoining FoxHound is confusing, but not because Zero. Zero had nothing to do with FoxHound. You guys mean Fox I think.

Anyway, it is confusing because by the time we reach end game BB should be some sort of evil incarnate. If you consider FoxHound is an official army unit, and if we assume that all his evil deeds were covered worldwide (or: all the things Zero claims BB did), it's weird that he would gain control of that unit.

Anyway, here's an extremely farfetched idea that will make a couple of you cringe:

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GZ and TPP dream world confirmed. Lawl jk ... although I do believe that hallucinations and dreams may play a big part - up to the point that we won't even know what's "real" anymore.
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Maybe Big Boss's deeds don't get that far out there to the world? Anyways I think GZ definitely happened. To say it was an illusion is a bit of a stretch and kind of convoluted (even by mgs standards). BUT, I do think things aren't what they seem and something fishy was going on during that mission.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

Sorry if I sound angry but this was too much, even with the strike in mind.


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I'm gonna go ahead and say the GZ we played isn't what actually happened. It always felt unfinished to me, no big helicopter crash catastrophe, it all just kinda cuts off with that flash of white on the screen.

My theory is that Big Boss is already in the coma and is dreaming about what went down that night, but can't remember it properly. That flash of white light just as the helicopters collide is the moment BB woke up.

So Kojima said we'd return to Camp Omega in TPP. I think when we do we'll be piecing together what actually happened.
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Jun 25 2015, 11:50:43 AM
I'm gonna go ahead and say the GZ we played isn't what actually happened. It always felt unfinished to me, no big helicopter crash catastrophe, it all just kinda cuts off with that flash of white on the screen.

My theory is that Big Boss is already in the coma and is dreaming about what went down that night, but can't remember it properly. That flash of white light just as the helicopters collide is the moment BB woke up.

So Kojima said we'd return to Camp Omega in TPP. I think when we do we'll be piecing together what actually happened.
Yeah. There's an explosion at the end of the prequel, you come to in a hospital bed after a 9 year coma. If we're supposed to be seeing everything from Big Boss's perspective, why would we see Michael Bay cutscenes when we're incapacitated?

Also, were these GZ isn't real theories always around or is it just to make sense of 3 seconds of Paz in the trailer?
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