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Who is better with CQC; CQC
Topic Started: Jul 4 2015, 07:14:11 PM (3,153 Views)
ADAMska87
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Uh Big Boss, Solids a little bizznatch beating Big Boss 0 times w CQC. He even gets CQC'd into a hug so hard that he can do nothing but fall into the warm embrace and snuggle his pops for story time.
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In my opinion Snake has yet to best Big Boss in terms of CQC! A 23 year old physically in his prime managed to beat a 60+ year old BB but not in CQC!

When old snake was reunited with BB in MGS4 he was soundly pacified by him when both seemed physically equal (Big Boss was 80 Snakes age accelerated)

As we've seen snake had gotten the better of Ocelot and Liquid in CQC battles so it's fairly certain he was better than them!

The one question mark in my eyes is The Boss, at the start of Snake Eater she was superior to Snake in CQC, by the end Snake bests her but the battle was more tactical than physical (In fact you could not engage her in CQC without getting the breaks beaten off of you!) but in the proceeding years I'm fairly certain Big Bosses CQC skills have advanced to the point that he's at least on par with his mentor the Boss!

So in my eyes it goes Liquid<Ocelot<Solid Snake<Big Boss≥The Boss
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Jul 7 2015, 05:01:49 PM

The one question mark in my eyes is The Boss, at the start of Snake Eater she was superior to Snake in CQC, by the end Snake bests her but the battle was more tactical than physical (In fact you could not engage her in CQC without getting the breaks beaten off of you!) but in the proceeding years I'm fairly certain Big Bosses CQC skills have advanced to the point that he's at least on par with his mentor the Boss!

So in my eyes it goes Liquid<Ocelot<Solid Snake<Big Boss≥The Boss
Big Boss was also caught off guard by her betrayal & clearly didn't want to fight her out of respect/loyalty; let alone have to kill her.
& in fact you can beat the Boss only using CQC
Didn't know? If you let her attack first, hit O when the exclamation point appears & you'll do a counter-attack. She'll get stunned & you can CQC slam her, do the 3 hit combo & kick her in the face. Hide behind some trees & repeat.
I thought this was the best known easiest way to beat her, except use the tranq gun or a shotgun after the slam, depending if you want lethal/non-lethal :P
Edited by B3nny56, Jul 7 2015, 05:15:58 PM.
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CQC... what's that, some kind of judo? Ocelot may be good at CQC since the end of Snake Eater, but BB was one of the founders so BB wins anytime.
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Jul 7 2015, 05:11:30 PM
Diamond_Dog
Jul 7 2015, 05:01:49 PM

The one question mark in my eyes is The Boss, at the start of Snake Eater she was superior to Snake in CQC, by the end Snake bests her but the battle was more tactical than physical (In fact you could not engage her in CQC without getting the breaks beaten off of you!) but in the proceeding years I'm fairly certain Big Bosses CQC skills have advanced to the point that he's at least on par with his mentor the Boss!

So in my eyes it goes Liquid<Ocelot<Solid Snake<Big Boss≥The Boss
Big Boss was also caught off guard by her betrayal & clearly didn't want to fight her out of respect/loyalty; let alone have to kill her.
& in fact you can beat the Boss only using CQC
Didn't know? If you let her attack first, hit O when the exclamation point appears & you'll do a counter-attack. She'll get stunned & you can CQC slam her, do the 3 hit combo & kick her in the face. Hide behind some trees & repeat.
I thought this was the best known easiest way to beat her, except use the tranq gun or a shotgun after the slam, depending if you want lethal/non-lethal :P
Really, admittedly its been some time since I played Snake Eater but for some reason I had it in my head that you couldn't defeat her with CQC! I beat her my first time with the tranq, and the second time I smoked her with her own Patriot gun! :D That's cool to know that you could beat her hand to hand tho

Regardless I will stick to my guns, I don't believe that Big Boss had surpassed her by the end of Snake Eater but I do believe that by 1975 or the end of Peace Walker that he had at least matched her if not surpassed her CQC abilites!

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Jul 7 2015, 10:10:59 PM
Regardless I will stick to my guns, I don't believe that Big Boss had surpassed her by the end of Snake Eater but I do believe that by 1975 or the end of Peace Walker that he had at least matched her if not surpassed her CQC abilites!

Your Big Boss didn't surpass her by the end of Snake Eater.

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Nobody has mentioned Solidus, we don't know his CQC capacity, for all we know he may be the dog's bollocks.
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Jul 8 2015, 08:34:45 AM
Nobody has mentioned Solidus, we don't know his CQC capacity, for all we know he may be the dog's bollocks.
Think he's more into blades.
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You stop right fucking there and apologies Infiltrator . CIA is many things; a has been meme master, a baneposter who ran it to the ground so bad to where it stopped being funny, a complete and utter podcast tsundere but I will NOT allow you to call him a shitty Gary Stu who killed a 7 part book series. That's just mean and unfair.

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We don't have enough feats from Big Boss to call him Solid's superior either...

For all the awesomeness Big Boss has with CQC, we never got a fistfight with him versus a worthy opponent. And Solid did some amazing sh*t, so I would hardly say The Boss or even Big Boss are better than him.
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Jul 8 2015, 10:19:36 PM
We don't have enough feats from Big Boss to call him Solid's superior either...

For all the awesomeness Big Boss has with CQC, we never got a fistfight with him versus a worthy opponent. And Solid did some amazing sh*t, so I would hardly say The Boss or even Big Boss are better than him.
Pppsshh yeah right on Solid Snake being better than the creators of CQC. How does that even make sense? How could a guy who had just been taught a fighting technique, who then decides not to use that fighting style right after he had just learned it because he didn't like Big boss, be considered better? The only time we see them use it on one another is at the end of MGS4 and like I said, all little snaky could do was "fall into the warm embrace and snuggle his pops for story time" when he got CQC'd into a hug.

As for a worthy opponent Big Boss fought with CQC...did you miss all the CQC fights with the creator of CQC in 64'?
Edited by ADAMska87, Jul 9 2015, 08:37:04 AM.
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Jul 8 2015, 10:19:36 PM
We don't have enough feats from Big Boss to call him Solid's superior either...

For all the awesomeness Big Boss has with CQC, we never got a fistfight with him versus a worthy opponent. And Solid did some amazing sh*t, so I would hardly say The Boss or even Big Boss are better than him.
I'd argue Big Boss (and even The Boss) has had more CQC feats shown than Solid. Big Boss had CQC fights with The Boss, Ocelot, and Gene, all of them exceptional CQC users. Most if not all of Solid Snake's CQC feats were shown in MGS4, not counting his Muy Thai usage with his short scuffle with Fox in TTT.
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Jul 8 2015, 08:34:45 AM
Nobody has mentioned Solidus, we don't know his CQC capacity, for all we know he may be the dog's bollocks.
He got beaten by Raiden in a gimp suit... :facepalm:

Fuck Solidus
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Solidus? Eeeeh...

He's been all office-work for years and then boosts himself with a Doctor Octopus muscle-suit. He's out.
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Jul 11 2015, 03:21:25 AM
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Jul 8 2015, 08:34:45 AM
Nobody has mentioned Solidus, we don't know his CQC capacity, for all we know he may be the dog's bollocks.
He got beaten by Raiden in a gimp suit... :facepalm:

Fuck Solidus
Not a fan of Raiden's super sexy skull suit? Even on a serious note, that isn't a good example as it was a duel with blades, not CQC.
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Jul 11 2015, 03:21:25 AM
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Jul 8 2015, 08:34:45 AM
Nobody has mentioned Solidus, we don't know his CQC capacity, for all we know he may be the dog's bollocks.
He got beaten by Raiden in a gimp suit... :facepalm:

Fuck Solidus
I thought I was the only one that thought his suit was a little gimpy.

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Staying on topic... are we all agreeing Raiden is the bottom of the CQC totem pole as far as hand to hand goes?
Edited by CIA, Jul 11 2015, 05:23:24 PM.
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Jul 11 2015, 05:22:24 PM
Staying on topic... are we all agreeing Raiden is the bottom of the CQC totem pole as far as hand to hand goes?
Pfft no, at least Raiden was shown to be adept at some level of hand to hand, far from being at the bottom. Come on people, don't turn this into another Raiden bash fest.
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Jul 11 2015, 05:22:24 PM
Staying on topic... are we all agreeing Raiden is the bottom of the CQC totem pole as far as hand to hand goes?
Pfft no, at least Raiden was shown to be adept at some level of hand to hand, far from being at the bottom. Come on people, don't turn this into another Raiden bash fest.
I'm not really willing to say Raiden is better than Big Boss, Solid, Liquid, Gene, or The Boss. I'm not saying anything against the guy. He apparently slapped Rose up pretty well when he was drunk. How would he stack up to Ocelot?
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Jul 12 2015, 12:44:03 AM
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Jul 11 2015, 05:22:24 PM
Staying on topic... are we all agreeing Raiden is the bottom of the CQC totem pole as far as hand to hand goes?
Pfft no, at least Raiden was shown to be adept at some level of hand to hand, far from being at the bottom. Come on people, don't turn this into another Raiden bash fest.
I'm not really willing to say Raiden is better than Big Boss, Solid, Liquid, Gene, or The Boss. I'm not saying anything against the guy. He apparently slapped Rose up pretty well when he was drunk. How would he stack up to Ocelot?
Despite being adept, his shown CQC were just basic. Not extensive like the The Boss, Big Boss, Ocelot, Solid Snake and Gene. It was never implied he hit Rose, just getting into drunken fights at bars and stuff. Current Raiden would kill Ocelot due to his enhanced strength.
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Big Boss beat Ocelot (a guy who had a week of Judo training in MGS3) and The Boss (we can't say he beat her only with CQC, since both draw guns in the cutscene and you can beat her with guns alone) and Gene (who he had to shoot to beat), so no, he doesn't have better CQC feats than Solid Snake.

Solid Snake beat Gray Fox (twice), Liquid Snake, and Liquid Ocelot, hand to hand only, and in awful conditions in at least two of those fights.

Those are the facts. In actual terms of gameplay, Big Boss hasn't been in a single hand to hand fight in the whole series (or only one if you count that cutscene skirmish with Ocelot in MGS3).

My question is, what is your basis to say Big Boss is better? He created CQC with The Boss, true. That doesn't mean he can't be surpassed in it. Also, there are other martial arts in the world too, hundreds of them actually. And Solid didn't even use CQC, so he clearly knew other styles too.
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