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Health & Fitness General Chat & Tips; Discuss General Health & Fitness Here
Topic Started: Dec 31 2015, 02:13:38 AM (3,824 Views)
The Departed
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this is the official general chat & tips thread for those currently bulking up or shedding pounds who would like to share tips and progress, or gym happenings.

for example, fuck anyone who bench presses and in between reps, stops and uses their iphone for 10 minutes straight before resuming. fuck them twice.
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Dec 31 2015, 11:59:35 AM
Weight lifting can absolutely be used to lose weight with minimal cardio. You maintain your muscle mass while shedding pounds and its much more satisfying because cardio can fuck itself up the ass.
Weights are more beneficial for weightloss than cardio. But don't bad mouth cardio. Until you've experienced runners high (especially on a regular basis) you can keep your crappy notions about 'more satisfaction from blah blah' to yourself.
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Oh yeah and one more thing when it comes to toning up and such, you gotta get big first and then cut your bf% down. Its impossible to get that toned look [which essentially translates to low fat without incredibly ripped muscles] without getting some more muscle in there first.
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Well yeah obviously you need muscles for that but generally that look comes in around 6-8 bf%, it's mostly weight loss not muscle gain

Jass the first thing I would do if I were you would be to start a foundation stage mostly doing cardio and circuit training. To set a baseline for your fitness level, at this point I wouldn't alter your diet at all, especially adding on that many calories, next after 2-4 weeks of foundation then you will want to do a hyper trophy stage, here is where you want to start eating more, doing exercises in lower weights but higher reps. After that for 2-4 weeks move on to strength building where you'll do high weights and low reps to build your muscular strength, after 2-4 weeks of that generally I switch back to the hyper trophy stage. This is to keep your body confused so you don't plateau.

If you wanted I could write up a circuit exercise for you to try out



As for the building muscle while losing fat. If it was really that efficient don't you think cutting and bulking or other strategies would be left in the dust by now? It does work but there are much more effective ways to attain your goals. I have a background in Health Science and Kinesiology, and I've been weight training since I was 13, but if you really don't believe me then I wish you the best of luck, and I am sure you will still find success



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I never said it was efficient as a long term strategy. But for beginners, it is.
Cutting as a beginner does nothing to your gains, you'll gain muscle anyways, which is why its an optimal time to cut. Once that's over with, you do the bulk/cut thing or maintain till you hit your wanted weight and then cut/bulk etc
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nvm ignore me listen to Tessie, I thought you said that you already work out but just don't know what to do with your diet. Bulking and shit can come later
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Dec 31 2015, 07:32:24 PM
I never said it was efficient as a long term strategy. But for beginners, it is.
Cutting as a beginner does nothing to your gains, you'll gain muscle anyways, which is why its an optimal time to cut. Once that's over with, you do the bulk/cut thing or maintain till you hit your wanted weight and then cut/bulk etc
Ohhhhhh alright I misread you there also

Jassasino there's a rule of thumb that when it comes to fitness that's If it Fits your macros (meaning your carb/fat/protein/caloric intake) it doesn't matter what you eat, however this can be pretty hard to pull off, so when in doubt, chicken breast an brown rice. I'm currently working on a "cooking with tessie" thread and I'll put in a recipe for some healthy chicken with enough flavour to choke your horse
Edited by Ranch DuBois Est. 2014, Dec 31 2015, 07:48:08 PM.



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I wish things were as simple as build muscle burn fat tbh. But unfortunately its all about them calories.

Jass is a vegetarian IIRC
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Lol I hate counting calories

Vegetarian... Well that'll be tough, but you'll wanna eat lots and lots of peanut butter and almonds then. I don't know much about vegetarian fitness and I'm not going to pretend I do, but your best bet is salmon if you eat fish, and protein supplements if you don't



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Well no shit you need muscle to lose fat. For example, I was 236-240 pounds and sitting at a 25% body fat, which is within the "healthy" range and not considered overweight. 240 is a lot of weight, but I also had a good amount of muscle. I was in the build/bulk phase then. Even though I weighed a lot, I looked more fit. If only I hadn't quit then (for health reasons), I'd be tanked right now.

Anyways, the point of losing fat and gaining muscle at the same time is that it aids in the physique of your body. You may not lose much weight, but more of your weight will be muscle instead of fat, thus making your body more efficient and healthier.

Also, how long does muscle memory last for in young adults?
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Intandem i'm kind of confused by your post.

The reason you can't logically build and lost fat at the same time once your past the beginner stages is because of calories. You need a caloric surplus to build muscle, but you need to be on a defect to lose weight/fat. What you can do is maintain while losing weight through lifting/cardio/whatever you like to do.
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Dec 31 2015, 09:04:31 PM
Intandem i'm kind of confused by your post.

The reason you can't logically build and lost fat at the same time once your past the beginner stages is because of calories. You need a caloric surplus to build muscle, but you need to be on a defect to lose weight/fat. What you can do is maintain while losing weight through lifting/cardio/whatever you like to do.
That's not true. If you're eating the right calories, you can still lose fat while putting on muscle. It's all about protein, yo.

What stage of body building are we talking about here? Unless you mean someone who's under 10-15% BF, you can still lose fat while putting on muscle
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wait, what? where are you getting this information from?

You need calories to build muscle in addition to your macros. Its why cut and bulk cycles exist. As Tessie said if it was as simple as stuff yourself full of protein and cut, cut and bulk cycles wouldn't be a thing.

If you want to lose weight, you need to go on a defect, going below maintenance. There won't be enough for you to build that extra muscle.
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I became overweight as a kid, but managed to work it off in my teen years and become quite fit. But the last couple years things went downhill and I stopped caring about what I ate and stopped working out. I packed on some weight because of that and I'm trying to lose it now. I have some questions regarding eating if anyone is well informed. Is it true that it's bad to eat before or shortly close to bedtime? That's usually when I'm the most hungry. Also, are carbs as bad as people make them out to be? (for weight loss).
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carbs are fine. if you like carbs, calorie count. cutting out carbs is an effective method of weight loss but its not a necessity.
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Dec 31 2015, 10:37:36 PM
wait, what? where are you getting this information from?

You need calories to build muscle in addition to your macros. Its why cut and bulk cycles exist. As Tessie said if it was as simple as stuff yourself full of protein and cut, cut and bulk cycles wouldn't be a thing.

If you want to lose weight, you need to go on a defect, going below maintenance. There won't be enough for you to build that extra muscle.
It depends on what phase you're in

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I went from 300 to 160 in a year back in highschool. Gained it back out of spite after marriage. Down to 249 from 300 in October doing the keto diet. Anyone got any advice? I've been plateau'd at 249 for a few weeks. Scale isn't cooperating but my clothes are getting looser, so I guess something is happening.

Right now I'm struggling to get 7-9 hours of sleep, since that's important for weight loss apparently.

As far as exercise goes, I've been comfortably walking 10k steps. Moved over to running in place and made my calves real sore. So I'm going to do that again. I did 20 seconds in place jogging with 10 seconds lifting my knees up real high running then 20 seconds in place jogging for 3 minutes, 10 seconds in place sprinting for 3 minutes. I guess the burn is good. More muscles = more calories burned to maintain. Should I just add to that? Toss some push-ups in the cycle?
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Intandem I don't think muscle memory ever goes away?

And for any struggling maintaining a workout, it usually comes down to things getting boring, so make sure to switch stuff up a bit and be spontaneous if you want to. The more exercises you end up cycling through the better, so yeah, add pushups, and anything else you think of when you feel like it. I recently added the crouch-walk to my routine after I saw a joke workout someone made for mgs, it actually does give a good workout :P
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Dec 31 2015, 08:03:02 PM
Lol I hate counting calories

Vegetarian... Well that'll be tough, but you'll wanna eat lots and lots of peanut butter and almonds then. I don't know much about vegetarian fitness and I'm not going to pretend I do, but your best bet is salmon if you eat fish, and protein supplements if you don't
Tessie if you could be bothered to write me up a cardio routine/circuit exercise or whatever that'd be bitching!

And yeah, I think I'm just gonna try and follow the usual diet plans when it comes to this but substitute it with vegetarian options which will give me near enough the same/less amount of protein and nutrition.

Max-Payne kudos for remembering I'm veggie. :wub:
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What supplements does everyone here take, if any? any experiences with creatine?
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Around 4 years ago I was almost 400lbs with little to no muscle (mostly because I was in a terrible relationship that was slowly eating any drive or happiness I had). Since then I've cut about 200lbs and now I lift 4 times a week. If you want to cut that kind of fat weight-lifting can help, but I don't think there's anyway to do it without lots and lots of cardio. I was going on the the treadmill cycling running and speed walking for at least an hour every day at my peak.

Now that I'm at a "happy" weight I alternate cardio on my off days from lifting. I don't do any supplements, but I do have a protein shake after my workouts. I put on 10-15 pounds over November-December so I'm going to focus more on cardio for the next while until I drop that again.

I never did reach my planned goal of 170lb. At my lowest I think I was 180lbish and I think to get to my goal I would need to cut out excessive beer on the weekends which... just ain't happening right now. I don't do anything super strict or count calories or anything, just like looking better, feeling confident, and most of all being (moderately) healthy.
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