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| Kojima on breast size in DS and how he'll justify it; "HER SKIN NEEDS TO BREATHE GUYS!" | |
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| NateDog | Jan 26 2017, 09:07:16 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.vg247.com/2017/01/26/kojima-will-take-a-different-approach-to-overly-sexualised-characters/
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| NateDog | Jan 31 2017, 11:13:45 PM Post #21 |
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I'd say a lot of it is down to the significance of Otaku culture in Japan, however at least people like Harada and Yoko Taro are honest about their feelings and in their dealings with fans and press. |
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| CIA | Feb 6 2017, 01:39:13 PM Post #22 |
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Wait, I thought North Coderea made posts merge so double posting was a thing of the past. How'd you manage it? Kojima kept talking about the stick and the rope. First invention: stick First trailer: Norman with his stick out Second invention: rope Second trailer: ![]() Third invention prediction: wheel Third trailer prediction: trailer is going to have a girl with a set of wheels on her. And a lot of trunk space. And she'll breathe through mads' rope |
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| Stare Roe | Jan 22 2018, 03:10:51 AM Post #23 |
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It makes me sad that anyone still cares about this crap. I'm gonna say this for the final time. Anybody, be they fictional or real, are allowed to dress after their own choosing and the rest of us should not judge them for it. And saying that someone is not okay for looking attractive is no better than saying they are not okay for being unattractive. Judging based on looks undermines acceptance and development, and we're much better off if we just accept what we see before us, because this world exists for all of us, not one person nor a group of persons, and we're all different. If you don't like females with big breasts in video games then play something else or just accept that it's not made for specifically you. This should be the easiest thing in the world. Instead people make a stink out of it because apparently we're not allowed to have sexy things in video games anymore. Hilarious. Suede Quiet looks cute af in that comic, I want to buy the artist a drink. But... Quiet WAS seductive... quite a lot so, in fact. Look at how she behaves when Venom and Ocelot talks about her in her cell. There is such a thing as being subtly seductive, and there is such a thing as being on the nose. I think Kojima pulled the balance off quite well. And I've always seen it as a part of Quiet's character development. She learns to be more outwards about herself, but still maintains the seductiveness to when being around Venom. When you got her bond at 80+ it's not so subtle anymore, but that's after you've spent a lot of time with her so it's by no means out of the blue and it builds up to it over time. Edited by Stare Roe, Jan 22 2018, 04:33:15 AM.
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| The Baneposter | Jan 22 2018, 05:23:24 AM Post #24 |
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Can't you just admit that you like tits in your games as juvenile as it may be rather than going on a pointless diatribe that completely and utterly misses the point? No one actually has a problem with revealing skin or a character being sexual - when it's a part of the character. If Quiet literally just dressed the way she did because she wants to it would be a better justification than her being a plant. The character could have taken a dozen different angles but Kojima stuck with the worst possible explanation of the bunch; and no she is not a femme fatale. If anything she is portrayed as strangely naive and innocent which makes the whole thing even creepier and more awkward. |
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| Stare Roe | Jan 22 2018, 06:13:46 AM Post #25 |
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That's YOUR opinion. I'm not even gonna argue this because I don't consider mine to be the center of the universe. Thank you. |
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| The Baneposter | Jan 22 2018, 03:07:22 PM Post #26 |
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more power to ya but this is a forum and the point of a forum is to discuss things. |
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| Stare Roe | Jan 22 2018, 04:07:01 PM Post #27 |
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Sure, but this particular point is one I'm passing on. Believe me, I have been over this before and if it has taught me anything then it is that this is something you either understand or don't and won't understand. It's not like I don't have arguments. I actually went over my points bullet for bullet mentally multiple times. I just don't consider it worth our time because it will lead absolutely fucking nowhere. Trust me, I am doing us both a solid, pun intended. Also yes, I like women with big breasts, but I failed to mention that because it's really besides the point. Edited by Stare Roe, Jan 22 2018, 04:15:55 PM.
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| TheGoodGuy | Jan 23 2018, 10:20:14 AM Post #28 |
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Maybe I'm a little insensitive to the sexualization of characters. I think that everything is kind of valid(to some extent) in fictional worlds, like it or not, is the intention of the creator that matters. |
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| The Baneposter | Jan 23 2018, 03:48:00 PM Post #29 |
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when the creator is a juvenile moron where does that leave you |
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| TheGoodGuy | Jan 23 2018, 04:31:10 PM Post #30 |
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^ Does it really matters? May I ask you. Do you believe that this is something that only a perverted and immature young man(juvenile moron?) is capable of? |
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| Stare Roe | Jan 23 2018, 04:41:55 PM Post #31 |
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Sorry The Baneposter. You sound a lot more immature to me than Kojima ever did. Yeah, he obviously likes well rounded women in video games and doesn't mind a bit of the big ol titties. What's so wrong with that? Never at any point in the game is Quiet made out to be anything less than a capable woman who's absolutely comfortable in her own body. That's a lesson to take to heart, to be yourself and not be ashamed. If that lesson was wasted on you then that's unfortunate, but to diminish independency just so that you can plaster a negative label on a man who have achieved a lot in his life is... really dumb, honestly. TheGoodGuy is absolutely correct. It's the intention of the creator that matters. Why you choose to skew it in such a negative way is beyond me, and the most mature and informed man in the world is not below enjoying seeing a beautiful woman, nor would he skew it the worst way and blow it out of proportion. Honestly, it's better if you're just quiet instead. |
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| Jassassino | Jan 23 2018, 04:49:16 PM Post #32 |
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Whenever I think of Quiet, I think "What fucking moron designed this character and gave her this ridiculous explanation as to why she's in this ridiculous fetishised get up." Can't wait to see Kojima's next big boobed character have a dumb explanation like " WHEN she kills her enemies, their souls get sucked into her boobies!!" |
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| Stare Roe | Jan 23 2018, 04:49:20 PM Post #33 |
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And to address some other comments in this thread, yes, Japan does indeed revel in sexuality, because they accept it as a natural positive that you should never be afraid nor ashamed of. If you ask me, it's the west that has some fucking issues, what with the shaming and controversies going on. Jassassino, if you can't get past how she looks then you're probably as big of a moron as you're making her designers out to be. Food for thought. Also, you might want to take your own signatures advice. Edited by Stare Roe, Jan 23 2018, 04:50:48 PM.
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| Jassassino | Jan 23 2018, 04:55:26 PM Post #34 |
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I assume you meant my member title sweetie. I can very easily get past how she looks, I don't give a shit if a woman is nude or not in my video games, or in ripped clothing. But as far as in-universe explanations and regards go for Quiet, it doesn't make any fucking sense. It would make more sense if she was just in a bikini, not some ripped leggings and military-issue nipple tassels. Also Stare, before you start getting all aggro at me again, I'm more on your side in this discussion than not. ![]() If you look at her costume, you can't deny that it's just a bit ridiculous. What's the purpose for the stupidly long leather-look dominatrix glove, why is she wearing a high thong and then the ripped leggings? She just shouldn't be wearing this if she needed to photosynthesise or breathe through her skin or whatever, it would get in the way of her bodily functions. |
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| Stare Roe | Jan 23 2018, 05:25:15 PM Post #35 |
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Why does it even matter is the better question. We know that she has no choice but to wear the lightest of clothing, and this is the style she went for, that's fine with me because it was still her choice. Bam. As for the military parts of her outfit, whatever that's supposed to mean, she's a soldier so yeah. The leggings are ripped to allow more air to be taken in. I assume she didn't want to be bare legged. Edited by Stare Roe, Jan 23 2018, 06:49:16 PM.
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| Edgelord | Jan 23 2018, 10:12:13 PM Post #36 |
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Tits are fucking awesome and should be exploited |
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BEFORE THY BECOMES SALTY WITH THE TEARS OF BEING OFFENDED. BEHOLD THE FIELD IN WHICH I GROW MY FUCKS TO GIVE. LAY THINE EYES UPON IT AND SEE THAT IT IS BARREN | |
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| sadistic_greyfox | Jan 23 2018, 10:56:03 PM Post #37 |
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Ball sacks should be visible every minute in gaming! Quiet's costume design to me isn't even sexy, it looks awkward as all hell, they could have done a better job if they wanted "sexy" to me all I think is Heroine addict. |
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| The Baneposter | Jan 23 2018, 10:59:11 PM Post #38 |
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haha fucking hell @ the people being Kojima stans. The costume diminishes the character. Quiet is not sexually empowered, she is objectified. If you can't tell the difference then this discussion was over before it began. |
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| Edgelord | Jan 23 2018, 11:07:12 PM Post #39 |
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I kept quiet in the xof outfit as she looks beast in it. The whole bikini thing was absolutely objectifying and sexist but to Our ways and views. To the japanese thats just a fucking normal sunday. Is anyone actually defending the logic behind quiets appearance? I'll defend it but not it's logic lol |
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| Mar | Jan 24 2018, 06:40:10 AM Post #40 |
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"Evil is evil...lesser, greater,middling..it makes no difference."
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https://old.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidvtpp/mods/431/? |
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