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Kojima on breast size in DS and how he'll justify it; "HER SKIN NEEDS TO BREATHE GUYS!"
Topic Started: Jan 26 2017, 09:07:16 PM (4,138 Views)
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http://www.vg247.com/2017/01/26/kojima-will-take-a-different-approach-to-overly-sexualised-characters/
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In an interview with BBC Radio 1 Newsbeat, Hideo Kojima defended the way female characters have been represented in his games, particularly when it comes to over sexualisation of certain women.

That said, the legendary designer noted that he’s going to “have a different approach for the next game.”

“What I really want to avoid is, like you see in some games, characters with big breasts with no back story,” said Kojima. “If I make characters that at first glance might look like this then they’ll have a deep background story to give a specific reason why.”

Kojima is presumably referring to Quiet, a major character in the recent Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain. Quiet was heavily criticised prior to the game’s launch for her choice of clothes, but the designer insisted that it’ll be explained in the game.
Watch this space.
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I personally hold games that portray women as, you know, normal human beings rather than damsels in distress or walking tities to a higher regard (a perfect example of this would be TLOU) in a higher regard.

At the same time, this stuff is so common in the industry (more so in japanese games) that I consider it a very small issue.
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Regarding the topic, I'm not going to hold my breath regarding that (and in fact, to be honest, I really am not looking forward to Death Stranding anyway. I have more reason to look forward to Survive than I do Death Stranding), especially not after what he did with Quiet. Now, don't get me wrong, sexuality in itself isn't necessarily wrong (it's ultimately necessary for the purposes of procreation, and even God never denounced it so long as it's strictly within the confines of marriage), and if sexualizing them was the point behind the character, go right on ahead, even if I don't personally agree with it (though I do think they should make sure they have decent characterization, and make sure they're careful not to spread anorexia or something). But you should own up to it as well, and not make excuses. Not to mention, the entire premise behind how Quiet became that way was just stupid, even ignoring the random elements of Quiet basically... pardon the bluntness, but... skanking herself. I'm sorry, but I fail to see why Quiet has to basically wear as little clothing as possible to photosynthesize, yet not only The End, but also the likes of Code Talker and, heck, even Skull Face if we go by the tapes, could be wearing full clothing with little to no problems despite their likely being subject to the exact same parasite treatment (and Skull Face, like Quiet, also most likely has vocal cord parasites as well). Skull Face is even MORE of a problem since he's constantly wearing a hat on his head, which would prevent his head from receiving any sunlight, yet he's walking and talking and overall acting like a relatively normal living person. George Kamitami at least had enough integrity to admit he just liked big breasts, so I can at least respect him for being honest about that rather than doing pseudo-scientific/philosophical justification for it. And quite frankly, the Dead or Alive girls had far more actual character than Quiet did. I'm impressed with her abilities, and, yes, being heterosexual, I'm also to some degree attracted to her, but beyond that, I'm not exactly impressed with how she turned out overall. At least the Dead or Alive girls had actual characterizations we could follow and even support.

Now, EVA and her exposing her boobs, I could forgive, since at least with her, she was meant to be a Bond Girl-type character. Even The Boss exposing her cleavage at one point at least was somewhat justified since she DID need to expose the fact that the scar on her chest is the only thing confirming she had in fact been a mother (since she had a C-section delivery).

As far as whether to like big breasts or not, quite frankly, breast size doesn't matter to me personally. A girl could be big or small breasted, and they'd still be beautiful (heck, one of my, well, not sure whether to use favorites after Toy Story taught me not to have them but... favorite characters, Ariel, is fairly flat chested, and I view her and Snow White as being among the most beautiful Disney Princesses, and she didn't even need big breasts to be that). That being said, however, I also fully acknowledge that big breasts are most likely going to be considered the standard of beauty in the present, and not just in Japan, either: Let's not forget that Barbie from Mattel had a very massive rack, not to mention several comic book superheroines barring maybe Supergirl had fairly large busts. And don't get me started on Lara Croft, who ALSO was really well known for, among others, having a massive chest. In fact, one of my biggest irritations about the 1991 Beauty and the Beast film by Disney dealt with Belle and the triplets. Even though the lore makes explicit that Belle's supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the village, the triplets looked as though they blew her out of the water with their physical appearances, looking like they came straight out of a Dead or Alive game, or at the very least Barbie dolls. That just messed up the narrative, with Gaston looking like an idiot for not going for Belle instead of one of the triplets, especially when, even ignoring physical appearances, they were closer to his type of girl anyway. Granted, that's a bit of a lesser irritation compared to the fact that the writers outright screwed up their characters by making the triplets seem like characters with actual inner beauty while Belle if anything came closer in Act 1 at least to having inner ugliness, but I digress...
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Norman Reedus was butt naked in the trailer no one said a crack about it? God knows what would be said if a female actress was cast in that part instead.
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Feb 2 2018, 11:36:27 AM
Norman Reedus was butt naked in the trailer no one said a crack about it? God knows what would be said if a female actress was cast in that part instead.
FUNNYYY JOKE.

I bet no one would have said jack shit if it was a woman who wasn't deliberately sexualized too. Problem is with Quiet is she's a fetishised, 2d sexual portrayal of women.
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Feb 3 2018, 11:20:45 AM
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Feb 2 2018, 11:36:27 AM
Norman Reedus was butt naked in the trailer no one said a crack about it? God knows what would be said if a female actress was cast in that part instead.
FUNNYYY JOKE.

I bet no one would have said jack shit if it was a woman who wasn't deliberately sexualized too. Problem is with Quiet is she's a fetishised, 2d sexual portrayal of women.
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as god is my witness the boss might be a terrible character but at least she wasn't decked out in fetish gear
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Well, about Quiet, to be honest, the only thing that bothers me about her doesn't really have anything to do with her design, it's actually stupid reason, but to this day I find it weird how I never realized it was her in hospital, and not some random female assassin, until it was basically show to me at the end of her story.

I mean, people miss so many things every day, but this was so obvious, that it just makes laugh at myself.
I have no idea how I didn't connect all those hints through the game, and always saw her as just ponytail woman sniper...

As for how she looks, I was never really attracted to her, and think her actress looks way better IRL, some fanartist did make her look really pretty, but during gameplay, she's just very useful buddy with some cool abilities - I really like her being a sniper that has superior awareness of space around her.

Still, while having nothing against her default uniform, and not having any idea what is the purpose of those silver and gold costumes, I mostly prefer her XOF clothing.

Btw, minus that awkward rain scene (saw it only once, and probably never again), I found most of her scenes rather good, especially parts were she talks, which kind of make me wish she talked more often through the game, being quiet for most of time, but not completely.

Just talking when really necessary.
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Lol yeah I haven't even finished the game but I knew that was Quiet. It was one of the first things I said to real Max about MGSV if I recall.
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I mean, doesn't the fact that this topic even exists say more than any of us?
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Just here for the Quiet hentai honestly.
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Disgusted that there's no quiet cosplay action on pornhub
BEFORE THY BECOMES SALTY WITH THE TEARS OF BEING OFFENDED.
BEHOLD THE FIELD IN WHICH I GROW MY FUCKS TO GIVE.
LAY THINE EYES UPON IT AND SEE THAT IT IS BARREN
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Disgusted that there's no quiet cosplay action on pornhub
Google Princess Leia Porn - first time I saw the girl, I thought how similar she is to Quiet; even some comments compared her to silent sniper.

One big difference though, unlike Quiet, this one can't stop talking. :blink:
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Err...guys. enough, continue the smut talk in pm or something pls.
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You know life is good when this is the shit we worry about. We need to remove unnecessary OTT violence in video games too.
Edited by doubleo sigint, Feb 21 2018, 08:13:41 PM.
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Feb 21 2018, 08:12:50 PM
You know life is good when this is the shit we worry about. We need to remove unnecessary OTT violence in video games too.
not the same and you know it.
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Feb 21 2018, 08:12:50 PM
You know life is good when this is the shit we worry about. We need to remove unnecessary OTT violence in video games too.
not the same and you know it.
"Violent video games causes kids to be violent"
"Sexy FEMALE characters in games causes kids to be sexist"

What's the difference?
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Females in Kojimas games were sexual objects since Snatcher.
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